can we clear one thing up real quick? they did not kill otto warmbier. his parents spread this absurd story about all kinds of brutal torture or whatever, but the doctors consistently said that there was absolutely no evidence of any sort of physical abuse. no abnormal bruising or evidence of broken bones, no damage to teeth, no damage to skin. etc
no one is quite sure exactly what caused his brain injury, but as far as I can tell from the words of the physicians, there is no evidence whatsoever that he was beaten, tortured, or abused in any form.
Left comms uncritically repeating imperialist propaganda - name a more iconic duo
As well as the "hereditry monarchy shit"
Someone didnt even do basic research into how the Dprk government functions
Na the role of president was abolished under Kim Jong il
Kim Jong Un sits on the Chairman of the workers party and Chairman of State of affairs
Both require elections every 5 years and both can be recalled at any time
While i generally view that Dprk has headed into revisionism with regard to the way they run their leadership...
What you just described is functionally how a Dictstorship of a proletariat should work and what a newly birthed socialist country would look like
I mean i basically agree
But imagine having such a shit worldview and analaysis of the world that you come down on the side of a tribe rather than a country building socialism (under less than ideal conditions with some odd characteristics)
you come down on the side of a tribe rather than a country building socialism
That tribe is pretty based though.
Also it’s not really a “side”, last I checked the DPRK isn’t in conflict with the North Sentinelese
it’s not really a “side”
The meme extolls primitive communism whilst disaparging Dprk with easily disproven imperialist lies
Whilst im glad the tribe is killing all the stupid westerners dumb enough to go there (because if they didnt within 5 years theyd be dancing for their food) this comparison is dumb as fuck and is the dying gasp of idealists too frightened to confront the class strugle theyve idealised a life style that would probably have them dead by their 40s from easily treatable infections or cholera
no one is quite sure exactly what caused his brain injury, but as far as I can tell from the words of the physicians, there is no evidence whatsoever that he was beaten, tortured, or abused in any form.
They killed him with heart attack gun/muslamic raygunzzzz
It was pretty based when they killed that missionary
Sentinelese aint having no Christianity
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QmbCZqXJew&ab_channel=ComaDave
Anti civ types can fuck all the way off
Their entire outlook is based on an ahististorical and colonial view of the world and (absolutely unsurprisingly) due to their anti civilisation and doomer outlook they end up repeating ecofascist nonsense
Preeeeetty sure folks in the DPRK can travel freely in any direction other than south.
And even there, once they're in China they can easily go to/be tricked into going to South Korea too, it's just that if they do the South Korean government throws them in solitary, tortures them, forces them to forsake their North Korean citizenship in favor of South Korean, then subjects them to months of indoctrination before they're released, and then they're barred from traveling abroad unless they get in good with some fascist NGO propaganda outfit that'll tour them around the US and Europe.
Pretty sure that isn't true, you need a permit (of some sort) to go to Pyongyang. I don't have a citation on hand, but I'm not just pulling that out of my ass, just pretty sure I saw that in at least one DPRK-neutral source.
to go to Pyongyang.
I'm referring to citizens of the DPRK being able to travel abroad. Not the other way around
Sorry, yes, I'm referring to DPRK citizens being unable to travel freely within their own country. I'm 80% sure that this is documented. Still different than what you were talking about though.
I wasn't aware of that, if you could ever produce a citation, I'd be interested in reading it.
Here's a passage from North Korea: Another Country (a good read cause the lib author is constantly admitting that the North are the "good guys" even though he doesn't like them). The bold section refers to a travel visa being required to leave Pyongyang. I left some additional text, cause the next paragraph has some interesting info on Jong Il.
Also, If you watch the documentary "My Brothers and Sisters in the North" (on YouTube), I believe they talk to a farmer (or some other worker in the countryside) who has a wish to visit Pyongyang, but hasn't gotten a permit yet.
The truth of the North Korean system is to come to understand, finally, that the isolated, cloistered royal family members themselves were foreigners to their own society; they furtively ventured out in one of Jong Il's twenty automobiles (including Cadillacs and Lincolns), or on foot after dark or to uninhabited parks while everyone else worked, and observed this society like the aliens that they were. Compounding their isolation in Jong Nam's childhood years was his father's desire that no one should know about his illegimate son. Like everyone else, to travel outside Pyongyang they needed a travel visa. Everyone is sheltered and compartmentalized so that most of the time, no one knows what's going on. (In recent years, errant glimpses of the life of common people with their emaciated bodies and tattered clothing have brought central officials to tears.)
Kim Jong II is not the playboy, womanizer, drunk, and mentally deranged fanatic "Dr. Evil" of our press. He is a homebody who doesn't socialize much, doesn't drink much, and works at home in his pajamas, scribbling marginal comments on the endless reams of documents brought to him in gray briefcases by his aides. He most enjoys tinkering with his many music boxes, sitting on the floor and opening them up with screwdrivers; at other times he would sit with Jong Nam and play Super Mario video games. He is prudish and shy and like most Korean fathers, hopelessly devoted to his son and the other children in his household—vastly preferring to seguester himself with them, rather than preside over the public extravaganzas that amaze visitors to the DPRK. According to Nam Ok, he orchestrates them, but is bored to tears watching them. The Dear Leader has tired of all the absurd hero worship, too; he told a visitor, “All that is bogus. It's all just pretence." But, like his father, he doesn't stop it from happening. He is a Stalinist, in that he keeps Stalin's hours, working into the early morning hours and then sleeping into the late morning—but these are the same hours his father kept, and that Bill Clinton kept. When the rest of us are sleeping, chief executives desperately husband their quiet time, Kim Jong II more than most.
Weird, a permit is necessary for leaving Pyongyang? It's difficult for me to understand what the purpose of that would serve? Having said that, you'll forgive me if I find the source of the citation suspect.
You should read the source. The guy is a lib, but he very knowledgeable about Korean history. You can even see in the second paragraph that he directly counteracts the media portrayal of Jong Il. He is very fair throughout the book, and I would really encourage you to read the entire thing (it's not particularly long). A comrade posted a digital copy on the Discord if you search for the title. Not gonna forgive you until you read it ;)
But yes, I think the focus here is that we are talking about people in the Kim family's inner circle (though it is his illegitimate son) who are still required to have a permit. That stands out to me that they didn't get a special exemption. These sorts of policies are far from ideal, but when you have a country that is living on the brink of invasion by Western Imperialists for decades, you need to be regimented. The precariousness of their position as a country justifies the amount of authority they are using. The whole country is more or less militarized for good reason, and in the military you can't have your soldiers doing whatever they want, they need to request leave, and be back on time or else the unit could be weakened.
I'm interested, I'll find it and give it a read. Thank you for the recommendation, Comrade.
Definitely, the first chapter is particularly difficult because it covers the Korean War and the effect that had on the country. There is a lot to learn from their struggle, though it is debatable whether they are really comrades through and through on a domestic level. They get shafted pretty damn hard in the media though (and it was true 2 decades ago when the book was written).
Being ultraleft online is really fun but it also is useless. In real life acts being ultraleft is an impediment and makes people dislike you, but for netizens posting on the internet, it lets you escalate past everyone and own the discussion by frowning on them.
The Sentinelese aimed their arrows by running into the waves when the vessel reached their shore. What manifested on the beach was a murky glimpse of their culture where a female claimed a warrior for her and sat in the sand, ensconced in a passionate embrace.
All the other female members followed suit in the spontaneous beach orgy.
Sources are yet to corroborate whether this act of communal mating was in the heat of the moment or something which the Sentinelese women exercised, calming their men who turned violent and hostile.
kinda hype. they also dont have to worry about sexually transmitted diseases due to their isolation. just fuck everyone
It's true for Sentinel Island, but Nicobar island was actually invaded by Austroasiatics sometime in the past 15,000 years or so, the people there look different too
Instead of incorporating tribal people into the world:
- Slowly give them better and better technology
- Watch as they advance as a civilization, without restructuring their society
- ???
- Full global communism
This is sacrilege. They are already as advanced as humanity can be.
I mean while an overall kinda vague good idea, the PD ended up just being a shit pile mouthpiece for the idea of "Hurr durr, just let nature run it's course" even in the face of the negative consequences of doing something would be much less harmful than the negative consequences of doing nothing.
The PD itself seems to be born from people learning about the horrors of colonialism, and the push back against the publicly known standing US foreign policy at the time of stopping the spread of communism. Pretty much, 'we shouldn't contact civilizations that are less advanced', and 'keep our nose out of foreign affairs'. How it ends up playing out from TNG onward is that it equates 'saving a civilization from an epidemic, or a ecological disaster' to 'stopping a civilization from extincting themselves in a war'. Or my favorite, the one time on TNG where two planets suffered from the same illness, but one found a cure and decided to be shitheels and make an addictive cure to sell to the other planet, and Picard just decided to do fuck all about it by taking the enlightened centrism road by helping neither planet.
Point being, the Prime Directive was already toilet paper by being treated as holier than thou uncompromising religious dogma starting in TNG onwards.
