hey chapos how am i gonna redpill the jury im on to let someone go free?
You're not. If you advance jury nullification ideas within the jury room, you'll be replaced by an alternate (if available, obviously the size of the trial will impact that). Now, there might be different laws in different states on the matter, but the ones I'm familiar with allow removal.
Best thing to do is vote not guilty (assuming the case and charge allow it), and just say you're not convinced past a reasonable doubt.
Holy shit can you actually be removed if you bring up things the prosecution doesn't like?
Yeah from what I've heard they basically interview you when you come in, and if you ever mention even having heard the term "jury nullification" they're just like "ok, you're not fit for this, goodbye"
I don't see how you'd be arrested for perjury in this case. Even if you are asked "do you know what jury nullification is" and you lie and say "no" but then in the jury room say "this law is bullshit, no way I'm convicting this guy" they can't arrest you for that. You can't be arrested for making a 'wrong' decision, no matter what logic got you there.
You can’t be arrested for making a ‘wrong’ decision, no matter what logic got you there.
We should add this as a site catchphrase.
"I thought I could but then I realized the law is bullshit." Find me a case of a juror answering a question during voir dire about something like that and then going to jail for what they said in the jury room. I'd be shocked.
Things the judge doesn't like, yes. Basically while you have a right to nullify a jury, you don't have the right to SAY you're nullifying the jury.
Both the prosecution and the defense. They have to agree on all the jurors afaik.
hang the judge if you can get a rope around his neck
You can't mention that you know about it so they pick you, obviously.
I guess you can also lie your ass off to get in, but if you go hard on that the defense is likely to remove you from consideration instead.
They typically won't ask if you support or have heard of jury nullification during voir dire. They will leave that to the "is there any reason you feel you can't bring a verdict in accordance with the law and judge's instructions?" question.
Jury nullification isn't itself illegal, so you can honestly answer "No".
Yea they avoid mentioning it. My point was that you can't seem as anything but a blank slate doofus to get accepted into a jury.
They asked when I went. They didn't use the words "jury nullification" but they asked if anyone in the room would be unwilling to convict if they were convinced someone violated a law that they didn't agree should be a law (giving a stupid example of "making a peanut butter and jelly sandwich").
The more trivial a thing you build an example out of the more demonic it actually is to think about.
Interesting. Wonder if your court had had "problems" with nullification before?
Maybe. It was particularly weird because the case didn't even involve drugs or anything, it was a violent crime, with a victim testifying. Not something you'd expect people to go "yeah okay he did it but that shouldn't be a crime."
While that is the common advice for nullification, In my personal experience there is no one monitoring your conversation. Someone would have to complain to the judge or bailiff in order to replace you.
They would. But, you don't want to give them a chance to remove you.
I mean, historically used, often everyone agreed "killing that gamer-word was cool and good". That's why there were lots of Federal civil rights trials after local juries refused to convict.
Now, it's more likely that you'll hang a jury rather than get 12 to agree with you, since nullification was cracked down on after all that.
So basically everyone would just have to refuse to convict without it being coordinated?
No, if it's coordinated then no one has to worry about being dimed out to the judge :) but, it's very risky to bring it up openly, so someone has to do it, and it can't be you, since you know you'll vote not guilty. Prisoners dilemma type problem.
ah so just ignore all the old whites and hope everyone else isn't on some uncle tom shit
I've hung a jury. It was great. The only downside is the juror selection questionnaire you fill out asks if you've ever been on a hung jury. This potentially ruins future chances to legally nullify, although it ruins the chances of all the chuds on your jury ever getting picked again too!!!!
You will be amazed how fucking stupid a "jury of your peers" are. In our case the judge specifically told the jury to ignore drug possession when it comes to deciding the case (the drug possession was not supposed to be mentioned but someone slipped up and it was technically allowed). The second we sit down for deliberations someone said "I thought they were innocent but then they brought up the drugs" several people agreed and my brain turned to mush.
edit: Oh and i forgot about the fucking lib kid who complained about the lack of any POC on the jury yet still voted the black defendant guilty even after I called him on it.
People on jury duty weren't smart enough to get out of jury duty.
I got out once when I was 19, now I'm 100% committing to it if I get called again.
In addition to what @hauntingspectre already said, the way to go about it is to just continuously assert that you are not convinced that the guy is guilty. No matter how the rest of the jury tries to convince you, just keep asserting that you have a feeling that the defendant is innocent. Either they go along with you and the defendant goes free or the jury hangs.
In reality, it would be everyone agreeing with whatever was said last.
Just absolutely refuse to convict, let it go to mistrial if it must.
Just lie. If you swear to uphold the law and then insist that you're 100% certain that the accused is legally in the free and clear they can't prove you don't think that.
So as long as you don't outright say "I think the accused is guilty, but I'm going to say they are innocent because I disagree with the ability of the legal system to justly punish offenders" you're in the clear?
Pretty much. But don't waffle - talking about Jury Nullification in a courtroom is illegal in some places. Imagine you're one of the jurors in the OJ trial and just keep insisting that there's reasonable doubt even if you can't think of a specific reason why there should be.
If you talk about it during Juror selection they'll kick you out, if you talk about it after doing it then in some places that might be illegal.
And if the decision isn't unanimous, you can just hang the jury right?
Depends on where you are. In some places a single juror can't hang a jury, but at least you can walk away knowing you fought the good fight.
I tried to get on a jury but I'm 90% sure being trans was why I got kicked off. I was far from dead set on nullification because it was a murder trial but the facts as described initially were that the guy was part of a group of people and they were trying to hold him personally responsible for the robbery turning into a murder. it was either being trans or some other little thing I said during their "do you know what beyond a reasonable doubt means" bullshit. which was also kinda annoying because they keeepppppt asking about it and every time I was like "yo I've taken a pile of classes on these concepts I know what the fuck it is"
but at least I made the prosecutor kick off 1/3 of the white people in the pool lol
play stupid. you're getting worse at struggle sessions. quit the mod squad
The beautiful thing about jury nullification is you don’t need to convince anyone. Just vote not guilty and refuse to change it, and stick to the most plausible deniability.
just realized reading this thread that if we can reach critical mass on jury nullification we can break the justice system completely
Point out how hot they are. Compliment their shirts. Ask them if they own any cool swords.
