I've got nothing else to add to that. I put this to people on twitter when they support it and they either don't respond or they're like "yeah but it would be good because the poors".

    • Woly [any]
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      4 years ago

      It certainly would help a lot of people right now, I think the criticism is that it won't stop the same problems from cropping up down the line, which I guess is legitimate. It would have to be one part of a multi-step solution. because you totally could have a society where everybody just got paid and then lived happily, it just requires more than the payments themselves to make that true.

    • Keegs [any]
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      4 years ago

      Because all the neoliberal political parties will require you to fulfill a set of criteria to quality for it, and those terms will just get more oppressive over time.

  • SovietyWoomy [any]
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    4 years ago

    I don't think you understand what the word unconditional means. Current welfare programs are terrifying tools of absolute control because they're extremely conditional and designed to keep people in poverty. Done properly (unconditional and enough to live on) UBI would be great.

  • D61 [any]
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    4 years ago

    UBI would be a Anything can be a terrifying tool of absolute control.

    There, I fixed it for you.

  • emizeko [they/them]
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    4 years ago

    reminds me of that bit in Lynch's Dune where they give the guy a little hamster on a wheel and he has to keep the hamster alive because it produces the antidote to the poison they're dosing him with

  • ultraviolet [she/her]
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    4 years ago

    It definitely would be but wage labour is basically used the same way so it's not like it's going to be that much worse than what we have today.

  • Slurry [any]
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    4 years ago

    Given that it raises the base level of material conditions for every recipient, I don't see that it would? Wouldn't it lessen capitalist gov's control? Maybe it would increase in communist-anarchist societies?

  • ocho [they/them]
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    4 years ago

    The little economic relief we'd get from it will come at the further exploitation and violence of the global south. UBI under imperialism will be a new level of hell for them.