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I haven't even gotten into any real arguments recently, it's pretty obviously from that post.

  • thefunkycomitatus [he/him,they/them]
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    The Citations Needed guy takes Rockerfeller Foundation, Ford Foundation, and MacArthur foundation money. His media/PR office also has a location in DC. While not connected to the Chapoverse, Robert Evans works for Bellingcat.

    Pretty much every popular podcast has ties to something. Except ol' Dave Anthony. He's just a screaming ball of rage surrounded by spooks.

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      I mean like... Its not enough to judge the content of the shows?

      I don't feel anything particular subversive in the topics of Citations Needed for example. In fact it's very good, very well presented and digestable insight into relevant issues

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          I agree I don’t think this is some grand conspiracy, if not in small part because I don’t want it to be. But one possible reason would be to have some control of opposition and having the power to say “slow down let’s think about this” in an emergency is invaluable if leftist insurgence appears inevitable no matter what you do.

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        Robert Evans is a spook because he works for a place that receives funding from the government. Nima works for a company that gets funding from obviously deep state organizations and works with them. You can't have it both ways.

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            He advised some federal agents on 4chan and 8chan years ago. Stop playing a game of telephone with the facts.

            https://www.bellingcat.com/author/robertevans/

            Can you point to the articles that say how the Soviet Union was bad, China bad, Stalin sucks, and how awesome the military is? Or can you only point to some bad twitter takes that you wouldn't have even seen if some other exasperated poster pointed it out? Have you asked yourself what you're upset about? Evans is 100% a spook because you heard from a guy who quoted a guy who posted about how one time something happened with feds. And you saw a twitter screenshot. But a guy who's VP of a company who works with the Clinton Foundation and other obvious fronts for the deepstate is just a low level coffee boy. Absolute mental gymnastics because a lib anarchist insulted tankies. And anyone who says dumb shit about tankies must be a CIA agent and not just wrong.

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                No, it’s more about them doing propaganda and intel work against official US enemiew, regardless of ideology.

                So you're not mad at RE for personally writing propaganda and intel work against US enemies, you're mad that someone else does it. If the company he works for does it, an RE is accountable for that then the other guy is responsible for what his company does too.

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                    He's talking about when he went overseas to Syria and Ukraine. When you travel to do conflict journalism, the US military is there. And that's probably why he has more of a gray view on the military than we do. A soldier never protected me. He's been in a firefight. While you can criticize his inability to be more objective about that, it's not indicative of him being a fed. Once again, this game of telephone stuff. People reading without context and then making assumptions. Just like how all his detractors here are convinced he's writing all this propaganda for Bellingcat about how US imperialism is cool and good when all he's written is shit on neo-nazis. But because they heard he made a jab about the USSR once in his podcast and he said something bad about tankies on twitter, he must be ascribed with a set of attributes by those scorned. Nuance doesn't exist when you insult a ML. And you're taking him praising his coworkers about the work on white supremacy. What am I gandering?

                    He got in a shit fight with Ben Norton on twitter? So what?

                    Edit: https://twitter.com/IwriteOK/status/1287951202735370241?s=20

                    Literally explaining what that tweet you pointed out meant. You should take a gander with me.

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              I appreciate your dedication to applying consistent standards while everyone projects a position onto you. I think.

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        Nima. He's VP of Spitfire Strategies, which is a PR/media company.

        " Nima is also editor-at-large for Muftah, the digital foreign affairs magazine and a member of the Gulf/2000 Project, an academic forum and online resource service sponsored by the School of International and Public Affairs at Columbia University. He co-hosts Citations Needed, the popular media criticism podcast, and a 2020 Webby Awards Honoree in podcasts: news & politics."

        https://www.spitfirestrategies.com/team/nima-shirazi

        "The Gulf/2000 Project web site "was developed by the Gulf/2000 Project at the School of International and Public Affairs of Columbia University in New York City. It is designed to make available in a single location a wealth of information on the eight countries of the Persian Gulf region--Bahrain, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates."

        "The Gulf/2000 Project is sponsored by the School of International and Public Affairs at Columbia University in New York City. Major funding for the project has been provided by the W. Alton Jones Foundation and the Ford Foundation, with additional support from the John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation, the Rockefeller Foundation, and The Open Society Institute. The project is not associated with any government. "

        https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Gulf/2000_Project

        "Clients for the firm include numerous left-leaning nonprofits. Among these are: the 11th Hour Project, Advance Family Planning, Advancement Project, Alliance for Justice, Amnesty International, the Annie E. Casey Foundation, the Aspen Institute, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, the Brookings Institution, Change Center for Health and Gender Equality, Color of Change, Conservation International, the Constitution Project, the David and Lucille Packard Foundation, Environmental Defense Fund, Greenpeace, Human Rights Campaign, Humane Society International, Media Democracy Fund, the National Coalition to Abolish the Death Penalty, National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, Open Society Foundations, Planned Parenthood of Northern New England, Progressive States Network, Sierra Club, the Tides Foundation, United Nations Foundation, and the World Wildlife Fund. [5]"

        https://www.influencewatch.org/for-profit/spitfire-strategies/

        https://www.spitfirestrategies.com/about

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                There goes the goal posts. From "Robert Evans is 100% a spook" to "He might not even be a spook but he might as well be." Also being VP of a PR firm (PR being an industry of propaganda invented by capitalists) and working with fronts of the deep state is not doing service to empire? C'mon jack.

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                    The Bill Gates Foundation does imperialism. Do you know what they've done in India? How do you compartmentalize what these people do from what Bellingcat does? I seriously don't get it. It's like you're using a special definition of helping imperial capitalism and propaganda and useful idiot that arbitrarily excludes the CN guy.

                    So being #2 at a PR company that does PR work (propangada) for the philanthropic and activist front groups of capital imperialism is better than being one of dozens of journalists who work for a company that gives handies to the state department despite the journalist not directly creating propaganda through said company and instead is saying lib things on twitter?

                    Again, mental gymnastics. For the last time, by the standards you are using to claim Evans is CIA, pretty much every popular leftist podcast is a psyop. And once again, I don't even care. Because politics don't happen in podcasts. If they all came out tomorrow with a group photo and Langley it wouldn't matter. Being a CIA podcaster doesn't do anything to the left. The content of BTB, even if you were to listen uncharitably, is fine 99.999999% of the time. Same with Chapo and TrueAnon and probably CN. The things they have said that are true don't stop being true because they're all CIA.

                    If the CIA wants to stop the left they're not going to make podcasts. They're going to fucking kill us. Because that's what they did in the past. They would hand us motolovs and tell us to join militias and show us how to make bombs. They would arm right wingers and point them at us. Podcasts do not matter. But if you're going to disparage someone, then be consistent.

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          What a shock, another "woke" figure ends up just being another spook/non-profit ghoul!

          This is why we relentlessly bully and exclude PMCs, folks. No exceptions!

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            Honestly I don't have anything against CN. I never listened to it. But I've had people on here criticize other podcasts for ties with the deepstate then say CN is good. It took two minutes of googling to find this. Either everyone is a spook or nobody is. I'm not putting up with this "my fav podcast is legit but everyone else is an op" shit. Personally I don't care. Nobody I've listened to has steered me away from the left, or steered me into passivity, or did anything particularly spooky. Other than make money doing their job. If a group of podcasts brings down the leftist project then we deserve it.

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                It doesn't matter. Will, Brace, or Robert being CIA does not chang anything. People are trying to shame others over listening to a podcast because the host has bad opinions. But bad opinions isn't enough to actually change anyone's mind. So then we have to do this thing where it's "well you're enjoying imperialism and endangering the left if you listen to them." Just like the libs roll out idpol on a dime when someone does a wrongthink. And because some people's entire interaction with politics is twitter screenshots on chapo.chat, they think that matters. They think saying dumb things on twitter is carrying out imperialism. There's a screenshot on the front page laughing at a lib for saying tweeting is violence, but then we have people who think tweeting is carrying out the mission of imperialism. It's the same shit. Worse than that, they don't even know what was actually tweeted, but they heard it from reading comments on chapo.chat or r/cth. So now we're full simulacrum and it gets blown up. All it really boils down to is petty infighting between tendencies.

            • UnironicWarCriminal [any]
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              I enjoy all of the podcasts I've mentioned and listen to them regularly. They're still spooks.