So I never really got this one. It seems like she is a polarizing figure here, but why is that? Also, what's the joke behind the "amber" bot?
So I never really got this one. It seems like she is a polarizing figure here, but why is that? Also, what's the joke behind the "amber" bot?
This doesn't exist, at least not in a place where everyone routinely jokes about not even listening to the podcast. No idea what episode you're referring to, either, or what supposedly irredeemable thing she said on it.
If there's anything of value to be mined from a who-fucking-cares-about-this internet drama, it's that accusations aimed at anyone even broadly on the left should at the very least be specific.
Amber stans absolutely do exist, I should know, I was one of them, and I literally wrote Episode 435 so what do you mean "what episode I'm referring too?" and if you're so concerned with the non-"specificity" of accusations against left figures then maybe you should take a listen to the episode and judge for yourself instead of just reflexively defending some rich cocaine-addled hipster with dogshit politics
Amber.
Vague, ill-defined accusations of misconduct are cop shit. Period, full stop.
If someone's job was to wreck leftist groups, whisper campaigns like that would be high on their list. Anyone making such accusations should be aggressively pressed to state specifically what the problem conduct is, and should be shouted down if they keep reverting back to "no trust me bro it's really bad you wouldn't even believe it."
That conveys near zero information about what the supposed misconduct is. It doesn't even tell you where to find it; it just tells you where to start looking -- it's "sift through this 90-minute audio recording with no transcript for... something; trust me bro, it's there and you'll know it when you hear it."
A specific accusation would be "she said X, which you can find here at Y, and that's bad because Z." "Episode 435" is about half of that middle part, and the number alone doesn't even clue you in to the general topic of the episode.
Here's an example: "Felix said he'd have sex with his clone, which you can find in the first maybe 20 minutes of episode [whatever number, or give the topic], which is bad because being gay with your clone is a discount Cumtown bit." That's fine; vague accusations like "Felix has said some sus stuff about gay sex" is not.
"Shitting on me is akshually a cop move" is one of the dumbest debate tactics this forum has come up with.
good thing I said absolutely nothing like that
It's literally what you're doing right now. This is not an organisation, she is not some kind of important leftist or whatever the fuck, no one is talking about "misconduct" or anything, this about some lame podcaster on some shitpost forum and shit things said podcaster may have said/done. The "cop shit" move is tiring. Just answer to what they're asking you.
Accusing another leftist of racism is accusing them of misconduct; what world do you live in
You can't answer a vague accusation of misconduct -- that's the whole point here. You can respond to "here's an actual sentence someone said, where they said it, and why it's bad." You can't respond to "so-and-so is racist," or anti-semetic, or similarly ill-defined accusations. That's why whisper campaigns are effective as smears: there's nothing specific to latch onto and discuss, it's just the specter of misconduct being used to force someone to prove a negative about themselves.
Yes, if you and the other leftist are part of the same organisation, which you aren't. This is like the "court of law" shit people pull off. What you linked to isn't even part of the same thread you are replying to, which is pretty ironic from someone complaining about non specificity. They brought up an episode, just look up what was discussed, I did, I found it in like 0 minutes. Say "is this what you take issue with? I don't because x and y". The "cop shit" act is useless.
There is zero justification for this distinction. We shouldn't be doing whisper campaigns against any leftist, anywhere.
Don't know how you define "thread," but you can scroll up and see that comment for yourself.
Or you can listen for yourself and make your own judgments....like a grown up
lol "cop shit" that's ironic considering 435 is famous for being the unironic 'pro-cop episode'
Yes, whisper campaigns -- which you keep doubling down on -- are cop shit. Make a specific accusation or shut the fuck up. This should be the way accusations are handled in leftist groups.
This isn't me making an "accusation" it's me handing you a video tape of the crime scene with the defendant getting caught red-handed and you refusing to watch it, so either get informed about what the rest of us are talking about or shut the fuck up
Here you can listen to it free RIGHT NOW https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackWolfFeed/comments/hoh1ts/435_cancel_crisis_feat_matt_taibbi_7920/ I double dog dare you to listen and then defend their pro-cop shit takes
I never said you made anything up. I'm saying if you're going to accuse someone on the left of any sort of serious misconduct (and you make an accusation of racism elsewhere in this thread), it better be a specific accusation, because vague whisper campaigns are often used as smears.
Give an actual full sentence that you think is beyond the pale. "Pro-cop shit take" doesn't communicate a thing about what anyone actually said, much less the bare minimum context it's in.
https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackWolfFeed/comments/hoh1ts/435_cancel_crisis_feat_matt_taibbi_7920/
No need, plenty of specific time stamped quotes right there in the thread, so buckle up and click that play button, we wouldn't want to think you're being pedantic ass uninterested in actually getting informed, now would we?
If by "plenty of specific time stamped quotes" you mean one, sure:
Whatever you think of the politics of those statements, "racist" is a fucking stretch at best. There are, in fact, non-white cops. Many working class people do, in fact, look at a police job as a path to a decent life that doesn't have all the barriers to entry a lot of other jobs do. Try out "all cops are white supremacist murderers" on anyone outside the terminally-online left and these are two of the first responses you'll get. The discussion around this quote makes that exact point, too -- that polling shows how a lot of black people actually want more cops in their neighborhoods, which is a pretty big complication to someone with the approach of "all cops are white supremacist murderers and our position should be calling for no cops whatsoever."
This is why it's so important to make accusations specific. If you just throw out "they're racist!", you never get into a discussion about what anyone actually said or did. You never get any surrounding context. The person you're accusing is forced to prove a negative (e.g., they aren't racist) or ignore the accusation. It's a smear tactic, which is a cop tactic, and it's no way to treat fellow leftists.
Amber.
it isn't a joke, the podcast is genuinely shit and i do not understand why anyone would listen to it
The point is that there's really no one here worth calling an Amber "stan," and the fewer people who listen to the podcast the more true that becomes.
Amber.