So I never really got this one. It seems like she is a polarizing figure here, but why is that? Also, what's the joke behind the "amber" bot?
So I never really got this one. It seems like she is a polarizing figure here, but why is that? Also, what's the joke behind the "amber" bot?
Vague, ill-defined accusations of misconduct are cop shit. Period, full stop.
If someone's job was to wreck leftist groups, whisper campaigns like that would be high on their list. Anyone making such accusations should be aggressively pressed to state specifically what the problem conduct is, and should be shouted down if they keep reverting back to "no trust me bro it's really bad you wouldn't even believe it."
That conveys near zero information about what the supposed misconduct is. It doesn't even tell you where to find it; it just tells you where to start looking -- it's "sift through this 90-minute audio recording with no transcript for... something; trust me bro, it's there and you'll know it when you hear it."
A specific accusation would be "she said X, which you can find here at Y, and that's bad because Z." "Episode 435" is about half of that middle part, and the number alone doesn't even clue you in to the general topic of the episode.
Here's an example: "Felix said he'd have sex with his clone, which you can find in the first maybe 20 minutes of episode [whatever number, or give the topic], which is bad because being gay with your clone is a discount Cumtown bit." That's fine; vague accusations like "Felix has said some sus stuff about gay sex" is not.
"Shitting on me is akshually a cop move" is one of the dumbest debate tactics this forum has come up with.
good thing I said absolutely nothing like that
It's literally what you're doing right now. This is not an organisation, she is not some kind of important leftist or whatever the fuck, no one is talking about "misconduct" or anything, this about some lame podcaster on some shitpost forum and shit things said podcaster may have said/done. The "cop shit" move is tiring. Just answer to what they're asking you.
Accusing another leftist of racism is accusing them of misconduct; what world do you live in
You can't answer a vague accusation of misconduct -- that's the whole point here. You can respond to "here's an actual sentence someone said, where they said it, and why it's bad." You can't respond to "so-and-so is racist," or anti-semetic, or similarly ill-defined accusations. That's why whisper campaigns are effective as smears: there's nothing specific to latch onto and discuss, it's just the specter of misconduct being used to force someone to prove a negative about themselves.
Yes, if you and the other leftist are part of the same organisation, which you aren't. This is like the "court of law" shit people pull off. What you linked to isn't even part of the same thread you are replying to, which is pretty ironic from someone complaining about non specificity. They brought up an episode, just look up what was discussed, I did, I found it in like 0 minutes. Say "is this what you take issue with? I don't because x and y". The "cop shit" act is useless.
There is zero justification for this distinction. We shouldn't be doing whisper campaigns against any leftist, anywhere.
Don't know how you define "thread," but you can scroll up and see that comment for yourself.
There is, just like there is a difference between a court and some random person criticising you. Misconduct within an organization means you will be punished or suspended. Else it doesn't mean shit. Now did you find it?
Are accusations within a courtroom the only ones that have consequences?
Can non-legal accusations be used to wreck leftist groups?
Have you followed any Jeremy Corbyn news lately?
Also we're not a "leftist group" in any meaningful sense, it's so cringey when people overestimate what this forum is.
I thought we had covered the thing about you responding to things I never said. "We shouldn’t be doing whisper campaigns against any leftist, anywhere" could not be more clear.
This is a "killing Nazis is just as bad as Nazis killing"-level take. Calling out wrecker behavior is not the same as engaging in wrecker behavior.
Or you can listen for yourself and make your own judgments....like a grown up
lol "cop shit" that's ironic considering 435 is famous for being the unironic 'pro-cop episode'
Yes, whisper campaigns -- which you keep doubling down on -- are cop shit. Make a specific accusation or shut the fuck up. This should be the way accusations are handled in leftist groups.
This isn't me making an "accusation" it's me handing you a video tape of the crime scene with the defendant getting caught red-handed and you refusing to watch it, so either get informed about what the rest of us are talking about or shut the fuck up
Here you can listen to it free RIGHT NOW https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackWolfFeed/comments/hoh1ts/435_cancel_crisis_feat_matt_taibbi_7920/ I double dog dare you to listen and then defend their pro-cop shit takes
I never said you made anything up. I'm saying if you're going to accuse someone on the left of any sort of serious misconduct (and you make an accusation of racism elsewhere in this thread), it better be a specific accusation, because vague whisper campaigns are often used as smears.
Give an actual full sentence that you think is beyond the pale. "Pro-cop shit take" doesn't communicate a thing about what anyone actually said, much less the bare minimum context it's in.
https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackWolfFeed/comments/hoh1ts/435_cancel_crisis_feat_matt_taibbi_7920/
No need, plenty of specific time stamped quotes right there in the thread, so buckle up and click that play button, we wouldn't want to think you're being pedantic ass uninterested in actually getting informed, now would we?
If by "plenty of specific time stamped quotes" you mean one, sure:
Whatever you think of the politics of those statements, "racist" is a fucking stretch at best. There are, in fact, non-white cops. Many working class people do, in fact, look at a police job as a path to a decent life that doesn't have all the barriers to entry a lot of other jobs do. Try out "all cops are white supremacist murderers" on anyone outside the terminally-online left and these are two of the first responses you'll get. The discussion around this quote makes that exact point, too -- that polling shows how a lot of black people actually want more cops in their neighborhoods, which is a pretty big complication to someone with the approach of "all cops are white supremacist murderers and our position should be calling for no cops whatsoever."
This is why it's so important to make accusations specific. If you just throw out "they're racist!", you never get into a discussion about what anyone actually said or did. You never get any surrounding context. The person you're accusing is forced to prove a negative (e.g., they aren't racist) or ignore the accusation. It's a smear tactic, which is a cop tactic, and it's no way to treat fellow leftists.
Amber.
And then in another part of the episode she refers to blm and the protesters as "minoritarians" for advancing the Abolish the Police concept, I mean it's really fuckin funny how you continually talk of "specificity" and "context" but refuse to actually listen to the episode that has the full context
And you're full of shit bro talking about "cop tactics" while defending a pro-cop takes, ALL COPS ARE WHITE SUPREMACTISTS, they all uphold the systematic, skin color in this regard is irrelevant, lol you'd think miss working class whisperer would understand something as basic as the structural and historical underpinnings of the justice system
Also I didn't call her a racist for pointing out there are non-white cops, so get your facts straight you crypto-bootlicker
Another reason why accusations need to be specific: if they aren't, you end up with whack-a-mole shit like this. "Oh I wasn't actually talking about that comment you dug up and responded to; I was talking about something totally different, guess you wasted you time lol." You're doing a cop's job if you engage in this sort of time wasting wrecker behavior.
As someone else has already pointed out to you, total abolition of the police is in fact a minority position. Pointing out that radical solutions aren't widely popular isn't even close to racism, and rejecting the reality of that will get us nowhere.
lol little shit you know perfectly well why I called her a racist and it wasn't because of some random time stamp quotes you hand selected from a thread
And as I pointed out to that garbage comment, socialism is a minority position, communism is a minority position, marxism is a minority position, in a vacuum this criticism is politically meaningless, trends shift, opinions change, that's the goal of engagement and advancing ones position over time to new people, what's important is the context of Amber's usage of the word. Which wasn't as you claim to "point out something obvious" of course you'd already know that if you bothered to actually review the episode
Her take was an attack meant to shut down other leftists, uncritically using the concept of the black monolith (a monolith that apparently ignores 20% of black people who already agree with the Abolish Police concept) and instead presents the monolith as an unchanging and static force immune to leftist agitation, not only is this defeatist pro-cop horseshit, it's racist and shuts the door on the 20% who are already convinced and the other 80% who are unconvinced but nevertheless many of whom are open to leftist alternatives
How's that for a "specific" accusation
Holy fuck, without a specific accusation you don't know this. How could I possibly spoonfeed this to you any more gently
That's you, you wrote that, you said yourself you saw my first comment in this thread where I called her a racist for referring to protesters as minoritarians "Calling blm protesters minoritarians isn’t just some “off the cuff cowboy hot take on the fly” it’s fuckin racist, and she can eat shit" there's no comment where I called her a racist for pointing there are non-white cops
So shut the fuck up about "not knowing" the context of my racism accusation, lol why you playing dumb?
You made that comment after our conversation started you fucking clown. And you linked to a thread that referred to the "time stamped comment" I quoted above. Like I said, this is whack-a-mole style, time wasting wrecker shit.
Dumb fuck that was literally my first comment in this thread, click my name and scroll down, lol
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Yeah, ya shit yourself huh? That's what happens when you get in the Cage with a Killa
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Amber.