fash-bash

  • ennemi [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    Cool comic and mostly good advice but I'd make some adjustments and additions :

    • Don't ball up your fist, keep your hands relaxed and flex your knuckles right before impact
    • Exhale as you're throwing the punch, you'll get a bit more power and you won't get tired as fast if you have to throw some more
    • You shouldn't lean into it that much, leaves you open to unpleasant things like getting knee'd in the face
    • Best not to "follow through" like that either. Your punches should be snappy and practically bounce off of the nazi's face. This is also conducive to punching more nazis, or punching the same nazi more
    • qprimed@lemmy.ml
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      1 year ago

      all of this advice is on point. loose hands until just before impact makes for faster hands. also gives you grabing options.

      the "snap" is where all the damage happens, your hand sould come back as fast as it went out. hips help with all of this. power and speed flows through the hips, while still keeping your body conected to the ground - (almost) literally, you are connecting your body with the earth and smacking them in the face with the planet.

      commentors point about knees is correct and, if anyone is looking to get decent at striking combat in a short amount of time... find a good gym and train muay thai.

      • ennemi [he/him]
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        1 year ago

        yeah a well executed punch definitely doesn't need to have your whole body strength behind it in order to fuck someone up, and whatever lands is infinitely more damaging than what doesn't

        I'd also recommend training combat sports. even if you never end up in a violent altercation the compound benefits are fucking amazing

        • moonlake [he/him]
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          1 year ago

          What's the best combat sport to train if my main priority is to fuck up Nazis with maximum efficiency?

          • ennemi [he/him]
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            1 year ago

            If you live in a big city and can pick from a bunch of disciplines, I'd say either muay thai or K-1 kickboxing for striking and either wrestling (folkstyle or greco-roman), judo or BJJ for grappling

            If the only gyms in your area are regular ol' boxing gyms that's still a very good way to train, same goes for kyokushin karate specifically (can't recommend the other types of karate for learning self-defense)

  • qprimed@lemmy.ml
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    1 year ago

    not bad. however, DONT overextend (the hero in the comic is overextended). distance is vital for clean form and effective recovery back to guard position - your target (the point where your punch finishes) only needs to be about 5 to 8 cm behind the point of impact. "followthrough" is done with the hips and not the hand.

  • john_browns_beard [he/him, comrade/them]
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    1 year ago

    If someone starts acting hostile towards you, ALWAYS throw the first punch and ask questions later. A lot of people think it's legally smarter to wait for the other person to swing first, but in most jurisdictions just the threat of violence is considered assault and that's grounds to defend yourself. Opt for a quick punch in the nose as your opener vs. a huge haymaker.

    Keep your hands up at all times to protect yourself if it turns into an actual fight.

    If you are outnumbered, you should be running and not fighting. Same goes for if your opponent has any sort of weapon.

    If you are in a fight and someone grabs you around the waist, make yourself dead weight immediately because unless they are a wrestler or know BJJ (in which case you are megafucked regardless) they will try to slam you. Even better, don't give them a chance to grab you around the waist.

    Overall, everyone should get some kind of fight training if they can afford it. Gyms will be filled with chuds but you don't have to be friends with them and you can leave at any time. Even a couple of months of BJJ or Muay Thai will give you a huge advantage if you ever find yourself in a real situation.

    • D61 [any]
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      1 year ago

      Remember comrades, Assault is the "threat" of violence, Battery is actual physical violence.

      Somebody shouts about how they are going to hit, hurt, chase, shoot and or kill you? That's assault.

      The battery doesn't start until after the beating, shooting, killing begins.

      stalin-approval

      • robot_dog_with_gun [they/them]
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        1 year ago

        that's a somewhat common distinction but specific terms do vary by jurisdiction. talk to your lawyer if it's gonna matter

        • SoyViking [he/him]
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          1 year ago

          specific terms do vary by jurisdiction.

          This is very important. In many jurisdictions things are not that clear cut. In many cases it is up to a rather subjective assessment. Threats alone might justify physical self-defence but the severity or credibility of the threats can influence that. Your options for self-defence can also enter into the assessment. Not all places have "castle doctrine" or "stay your ground" principles and will not allow you to do physical self-defence if you have the option of running away.

          Stay safe out there. From the Nazis and from their friends in uniform.

    • WoofWoof91 [comrade/them]
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      1 year ago

      Overall, everyone should get some kind of fight training if they can afford it

      i always recommend boxing myself
      quick to learn, striking beats grappling in most street fights, boxing gyms are everywhere, and it's usually on the cheaper end

        • john_browns_beard [he/him, comrade/them]
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          1 year ago

          Probably less than Muay Thai, more than BJJ. But I agree that striking is going to be safer than grappling in any non-organized fight. You don't want to take it to the ground if there's any sort of risk that somebody might jump in. Sparring in a controlled environment with gloves and headgear on is going to be very safe in general.

    • Vingst [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      Good quality OC/pepper spray is even better, if you are allowed to carry that. You get 10 feet of effective range instead of getting in punching distance. It's worked for me in a real situation.

    • mayo_cider [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      One good strategy for keeping your hands ready is to keep them up but hands open, palms facing the opponent. This looks more like you are trying to calm the situation rather than squaring up, avoiding unnecessary provocation and keeping at least some element of surprise. The most important part is situational awareness, always assume there's another attacker coming and be ready to escape.

    • ennemi [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      My left hand is named "semantic jab" and my right hand is named "ad hominem"

    • Adkml [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      Especially if they're punching you at the time.

    • SoyViking [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      Hitler only came around and changed his ways, pledging to do better, because heroic liberals listened to his story, debated him in the marketplace of ideas and were willing to reach across the aisle to make difficult compromises.

  • FlakesBongler [they/them]
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    1 year ago

    The optimal way to punch a Nazi is to hit them with small pieces of metal going very, very fast

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    2 months ago

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    • ZoomeristLeninist [they/them, she/her]M
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      1 year ago

      BJJ kind of sucks in real fights. BJJ is based on grappling and ground fighting. you can get this aspect of fighting from Judo or wrestling. however, grappling and submission holds aren’t everything in actual fights. you can learn how to punch and kick with Muay Thai or boxing/kickboxing

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  • GorbinOutOverHere [comrade/them]
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    1 year ago

    that's a really over extended punch like fyi i wouldn't do that

    if I ever think about punchin' someone in the moment bawllin-sad

  • Adkml [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    Why the filtrum?

    I thought best punching spots were bridge of the nose for a straight shot and side of the chin for a hook?

    • qprimed@lemmy.ml
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      1 year ago

      broken noses are cool, but the filtrum is fragile and can be crushed causing serious, permanent damage to the face.

      • john_browns_beard [he/him, comrade/them]
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        1 year ago

        My concern about aiming for that spot in particular is that there's a high likelihood you seriously fuck up your hand on the recipient's teeth even if you land it perfectly. The nose is an easier target and much more forgiving on your knuckles.

        • qprimed@lemmy.ml
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          1 year ago

          agreed, but if its one on one and we are equiv. height (or opponent is a little taller and tucking their chin), my fist is meeting square-on with their face, breaking bone and removing teeth. that location is pretty catastrophic and almost certainly ends the fight.

          however breaking shots to the nose (as you discussed) are fantastic and usually blind the opponent with their own involuntary tears, allowing for retreat (sometimes a good option). this is why a nice crisp jab is sometimes all you need.

          an addendum: in almost any violent situation, the primary goal is to end the situation and exit with minimal damage. however you manage to achieve this successfully is a win. fight enough and you will find someone with your kryptonite, so avoid fights as much as possible. if its unavoidable, then end the fight as quickly as possible and exit.

    • axont [she/her, comrade/them]
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      1 year ago

      Hirameita!

      Saejima in the back carving a little wooden statue of a Nazi getting thrown out of a moving car

  • Abraxiel
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    1 year ago

    You should really step into your punch with the same-side leg rather than cross-side, so you get a better hip turn.

  • Justaguymakingapost [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    If everything I've read and watched is anything to go by, punching somebody in the head/face can sometimes cut up your hands on the pointy and sharp bits of the skull. You should only punch if you're familiar with those parts of the skull or have gloves on. Better off going with open hand slaps and palm strikes. Fists, elbows, knees and feet are for the torso, arms, legs, neck and groin; palms are for the face, and fingers are for the eyes. There are also a lot of places on the body where you can grab and bite, if you're so inclined.

    • meth_dragon [none/use name]
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      1 year ago

      knuckle pushups for knuckle armor!

      doesn't actually provide any damage reduction but it hurts a bit less

  • PolPotPie [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    mmm love grating my fist skin like cheese on a nazi's teeth

  • bigboopballs [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    yeah, that sounds fun. definitely get some practice by taking boxing classes or something first, though.