And they said we should just accept it on their credibility.
I had the occasion to look this up again, so I thought I should post it for more than the shitlib I got it for (so now it's also for the three of you sorting by new at this hour)
When it first hit the news I was talking to a friend who works at US embassies and I cracked a joke about it. He got really offended and insisted he had really good evidence he couldn't share for security reasons that it was real.
A few months later he apologized.
A few months later he apologized.
How hard did you laugh? I wouldn't have been able to hold back
Not that hard. He did admit he was wrong after all.
I just found it delightful to have a concrete example of internet shitposts having a better understanding of geopolitics than state department briefings.
I just found it delightful to have a concrete example of internet shitposts having a better understanding of geopolitics than state department briefings.
insisted he had really good evidence he couldn't share for security reasons
So now we know for sure that anyone who says this is telling a "My uncle works at Nintendo" tier lie. If you cant show us, theres no use bringing it up.
HAVANA Care for all the American public servants who have incurred brain injuries likely from directed energy attacks
So this is just long COVID right?
Most likely this is a cover story they are using because
is killing 
with directed meme weapons.
the real question is what sort of directed energy fuckery are the US testing that has caused this amount of anxiety amongst their own people
evidence is when i make accusations. declassified evidence is when i make accusations on TV.
jesus, it really was like 2003 and Ari Fleischer all over again. though the bush administration at least maintained "well there's also top secret evidence to support [our justification for being in a war on the other side of the planet], but we can't talk about it yet. when we do finally release it, you'll all apologize to us."
liberals who swallow this unchewed shit deserve deep and public humiliation.
I firmly believe that the "false flag" that they were expecting was going to be Ukraine's attack on Donetsk, which was flaring up with increased shelling that we saw getting seriously bad in the daily OSCE reports we were all watching at that time. They were expecting Ukraine to go in and they were getting ahead of it by spreading the idea that this would be a Russian false flag and pretense for Russian action.
This didn't happen because instead of waiting for Ukraine to do this action the Russians instead decided to get ahead of it entirely and just invade. They actually caught everyone with their pants down by doing so as well because everyone assumed Russia wanted a pretense before acting.
It was very 👁 when I read on here that the reason Russian troops were able to get so close to Kiyv in the initial assault was that Ukrainian forces were in an offensive position around the Donbas. Don't know if that's true, of course.
I remember when they said Russia might blow up a nuclear plant as a form of terrorism, so nothing is beyond the US really.
Patrick Lancaster's interview with the advisor to the director of the ZNPP was so wild. The guy had such a lucid and piercing analysis. He's not even a "political analyst" or commentator and it was such a breath of fresh compared to the garbage media we have in the west.
Whatever the US says, the "nearest countries in that hemisphere" people must abide
The U.S. claims to have information indicating that Russia is considering staging a "fabricated attack" by Ukrainian forces in order to justify an invasion of Ukraine
Remember when Russia then proceeded to invade Ukraine with no justification?
Oh right, that's still happening.
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The Russian invasion of Ukraine is directly relevant to OP. It is part of the quote I copied from the article.
This is in no way "whataboutism".
I'm sorry we're talking about things the US does here. Russia does bad things too but that's not the topic of the discussion.
Actually, Russian aggression against Ukraine is exactly the topic of discussion here.
Uh huh. So all of America then? Like, Brazil? Guatemala? Canada?
I can't believe people upvote this kind of drivel.
You know, I did miss the experience of talking on xbl... thanks for the nostalgia!
This is the part where you all act like principal skinner after getting your ignorance put on blast for the whole thread
Yes, you're very clever. Gold star. Or maybe you'd prefer a red star?
It's whataboutism as per the generally accepted usage in the West.
For what it's worth, I agree with you that it isn't whataboutism, but the threshold for calling something "whatboutism" has dropped to a record low.
- The US didn't invade Iraq with no justification, they said there were WMDs.
No argument. The invasion of Iraq was not justified in any way that I'm aware of.
I'm half-convinced W read a report about Iranian uranium refining projects and got the countries mixed up. Either that or he was cleaning up daddy's mess.
This really is off-topic though, except in the broad sense of military invasions conducted with some thin propaganda as an excuse.
they lied about Cuba
they lied about Korea
they lied about Vietnam
they lied about Afghanistan
they lied about Iraq
they lied about Syria
they lied about China
But this time they're telling the truth!!!11!1!1!1!!
Remember when Russia then proceeded to invade Ukraine with no justification?
The proximate justification was several days of escalating artillery fire on Donbas. Whether you approve of that justification or not, it is not "no" justification and it was not a false flag. It also highlights how unnecessary it would be to stage a false flag because Ukraine had been doing that kind of thing for 8 years. Zelensky wasn't about to call off Azov any time soon.
Ah, you mean when Ukrainian forces were shelling Russian forces because the Russians were shelling civilians before the full-scale invasion started.
Ukraine's artillery was targeting military positions - Russian artillery - while Russia, he said, was also targeting towns and cities.
You stupid ass, that article was published two months after the SMO began and only discusses details of the fighting since then, there is no discussion of Ukraine's escalating bombardment of the Donbas that led up to the attack, or any of Russia's given reasons for attacking with its army. Such as thousands of Donbas civilians slain by Western Ukraine's fascist paramilitaries, which were well documented by Western press and denounced by US politicians from 2014 until Feb 2022.
Ah, you mean when
If you're going to post like a neck bearded smuglord you could at least understand what the fuck the discussion is even about. Fuck you, you Nazi sympathizing piece of shit.
Been there, done that, got the T-shirt. Am I supposed to be offended or what?
Am I supposed to be offended
No, you were supposed to reflect on those shitty balls and internalize them as a lesson in personal growth.
That's OK man, just let the anger out... remember to breathe...
Calling the Russian invasion of Ukraine a "Special Military Operation" is parroting Putin's propaganda and makes your sympathies evident, and the rest of your statements suspect. Your approach to discussion isn't really supporting the validity of your opinion either.
Why change the topic and not address their points about the period of history from 2014 till Feb 2022?
Why change the topic and not address his points
Just FYI, panopticon goes by comrade/them so 'their' would be the accurate gendered term instead of 'his'
Dont ever have kids if this is how you talk to people with concerns about your behavior.
You know, when you don’t know jack about shit, you shut the fuck up until you do know something about it, not smugly lecture others about the topic.
It’s time for you to shut the fuck up.
Remember when Stalin smoked all the weed in the Ukraine? He packed it all into his giant bong and took the biggest rip anybody has ever taken, it was called the Bowlodomor and it it was dope as fuck
Fucking libs really out here posting
state propaganda like it's some sort of slam dunkLiberals love repeating ancient talking points like it’s some genius revelation that’ll own the commies
I think your arguments would be a lot stronger if you posted a picture of your dick.
Ukraine's artillery was targeting military positions - Russian artillery - while Russia, he said, was also targeting towns and cities.
How did towns and cities in Donbas keep getting hit with artillery if Ukraine wasn't targeting them?
Ah yes, the classic military positions of "towns and villages filled with civilians," mostly those occupied by nongovernmental forces.
Even Western outlets like Human Rights Watch acknowledged the situation in Ukraine:
Flare-ups in hostilities, notably in March and May, led to civilian casualties. According to data by the United Nations human rights monitoring mission, in the first seven months of 2020, 18 civilians were killed and 89 injured by shelling, small arms weapons fire, mine-related incidents and unmanned aerial vehicles (UAV) strikes. Schools and educational facilities continued to be damaged by shelling, small arms and light weapons fire. Most of incidents occurred in the nongovernment-controlled areas.
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Between January and May 2019, attacks on schools on both sides of the contact line tripled compared with the same period in 2018. Throughout six years of conflict, 147 children were killed.
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Shelling across or near the contact line separating the two sides continued to damage civilian homes and infrastructure and to threaten civilian lives. Since 2014, 740 education facilities were damaged during the conflict, 16 from January to October 2018. Both sides carried out indiscriminate or deliberate attacks on schools and used them for military purposes.
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In late January and early February, all sides to the conflict engaged in massive shelling of populated areas, severely damaging essential civilian infrastructure and killing civilians. According to the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) Special Monitoring Mission (SMM), as of mid-November, at least 425 civilians were injured or killed in 2017, more than the previous year.
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Although the September ceasefire largely held, sporadic fighting continued. Both sides violated the laws of war. They committed indiscriminate attacks that injured and killed civilians, including through the use of cluster munitions. Government forces and Russia-backed rebels deployed within or near densely populated areas, endangering civilians and civilian objects, including schools, hospitals, and apartment buildings.
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Ukrainian government forces used cluster munitions in populated areas in Donetsk city in early October 2014, Human Rights Watch said today. The use of cluster munitions in populated areas violates the laws of war due to the indiscriminate nature of the weapon and may amount to war crimes.
Don't forget the blatant abuse of the ethnic Russians in the area by the Ukrainian government.
In the first half of 2020, government policies linking pension eligibility with displaced persons’ status continued to discriminate against and create hardship for older people living in nongovernment-controlled areas by forcing them to regularly travel across the line of contact to access their pensions. In February, parliament failed to pass legislation that would have addressed this linkage on the premise that the state budget could not cover the cost of arrears owed to these pensioners.
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Ukraine authorities required people entering from nongovernment-controlled areas to install a smartphone app to monitor compliance with restrictions, even though many people do not own a smartphone. They also require people to self-isolate for 14 days, which is prohibitively expensive for older people living in these areas.
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Ukraine’s Security Service (SBU) continued to deny the secret and prolonged detention of 18 civilians in its Kharkiv secret detention facility from 2014 to 2016. All 18 were unofficially freed by the end of 2016 and their detention was never acknowledged.
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The Ukrainian government continued restrictions on freedom of expression, freedom of information, and media freedom, seeking to justify them by citing the need to counter Russia’s military aggression in eastern Ukraine and anti-Ukraine propaganda. According to the Institute for Mass Information, a media freedom watchdog, as of October, 201 press freedom violations took place in 23 regions. These ranged from threats and intimidation to restricting journalists’ access to information.
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In August, SBU officials in the Dnipropetrovsk region unlawfully detained and tortured Daria Mastikasheva, later charging her with treason for allegedly working as a Russian agent. At time of writing, no one was found responsible for Mastikasheva’s ill-treatment.
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Kiev’s forces disappeared and arbitrarily detained 13 journalists, often accusing them of assisting insurgents. For example, in May, security services detained two Russian reporters and held them for a week in incommunicado detention for suspected assistance to insurgents. The reporters later alleged they were beaten and threatened with execution.
This is all coming from Western, allegedly Anerican-biased sources. Not acknowledging the situation in Ukraine between 2014 and 2022 is silly.
Is your implication that the US was wrong?
As if it’s beyond russia to lie or use propaganda or invade Ukraine?
Them calling this out was a good preemptive move either way. It makes Russia wonder how strong their source and evidence are and think twice about getting caught in another massive lie.
The mere announcement of this may have saved Russian citizens’ lives from their own dictator’s ruthlessness.. though it probably led to a few insiders falling out of windows.
Is your implication that the US was wrong?
No, my implication is that the US was lying
As if it’s beyond russia to lie or use propaganda
Lying is not a flat binary. What they are suggesting is quite elaborate. Did you watch the video? As the reporter says, it's some Alex Jones shit.
Them calling this out was a good preemptive move either way. It makes Russia wonder how strong their source and evidence are and think twice about getting caught in another massive lie.
Like the pipeline, the prison, the dam, that one whole fucking town, or . . . wait, no, I must be thinking of something else
The mere announcement of this may have saved Russian citizens’ lives from their own dictator’s ruthlessness.. though it probably led to a few insiders falling out of windows.
An excellent demonstration of why Ned "NED" Price was practicing an effective strategy, because even if it's totally false the US can still take credit for stopping an atrocity that was never going to happen and rubes will eat it up proactively if they even remember it at all.
This is one of the most brain wormed takes I've seen in a long time.
I think the general consensus is that the US State Department is the government version of Jim Cramer. If you just believe the opposite of what they say, you're usually correct.
(With the usual caveats of critical reading, checking sources, blah blah. It's a good jumping off point.)
The civil war in the Donbas is Russian disinformation. The Cold War, the destruction of the USSR, and the subsequent pillaging by the NATO aligned west is Russian disinformation. I am American and I've never even spoken to a person from Russia or any part of the Soviet Union. I am not a rube easily manipulated by 3 minutes of television programming.
Ah yes, because everything must be Russian disinformation because it disagrees with government line.
A good idea before you start smugly bloviating about the dastardly Russkies is to not immediately out yourself as a credulous rube that believes whatever the government tells you.
