I can't help but be suspicious that she's Obama 2.0. As in, posing as someone who will shake up the status quo, while cynically planning to do nothing. And there's also that circumstantial stuff about her getting a job with Ted Kennedy's foreign affairs office at age 18, and working in Niger on a Gates Foundation grant right before the coup.
Maybe I've been paying too much attention to the excerpts from Obama's book. I'll happily admit I'm wrong if she helps bring about the revolution.
(edit: Niger, not Nigeria, sorry. And see the links the replies)
Obama was always very pro-establishment. They just ran the perfect campaign for him in 2008 cause he was an outsider and they pushed things with progressive grass roots organizations. As soon as he won, they dismantled all of that. He even said so on his campaign that he wasn't really focused on ending the war in Afghanistan. There was just little focus on that and after 8 years of Bush, people wanted something different.
Is she a radical Marxist who is going to push a revolution? Of course not. SocDems aren't that. She is to the left of the establishment Democrats who are pushed so far to the right that they would be conservatives in any other country.
So many people on the left really want a savior. That's how Bernie was treated and it's how AOC is treated. Fact remains, we still got a lot of work to do.
AOC's policy positions are much, much more concrete than anything Obama ever proposed. Obama was all about nice sounding pabulum, not firm policy. AOC is at the very least an honestly SocDem SocDem, which would still be a huge improvement. No, she's not going to bring about the revolution, that's silly, she's not even a Marxist. But she isn't Obama either.
I get the suspicion because the left needs to be wary of everyone but like...her background and actions so far are absolutely nothing like Obama.
AOC is a politician born and bred from the working class who openly identifies as a socialist. Whether you think she's a socialist or a socdem is up to you, but the fact that she's outwardly IDing as a socialist in a party that despises socialists is already more courageous than anything Obama did. AOC was a bartender, Obama was a Harvard-educated lawyer. Obama dissolved his organizing apparatus the minute he touched political power. AOC does boots-on-the-ground mutual aid work in her district. Obama never made any major moves against the establishment in his career. AOC endorsed Bernie Sanders at the lowest point in his campaign, right after he had the heart attack. If she wanted to sell the left out, she would have backed Warren who was angling hard for her vote. Despite what some of the terminally online say, she doesn't punch left and it's not like she's a careerist profiting off her office. She literally called him and gave the endorsement when we weren't even sure if Bernie was going to be healthy enough to campaign. AOC openly supports defunding the police and uses that slogan. Obama tone polices people who say it. I can guarantee you she has absolutely no future in the Democratic establishment and she knows it.
There are plenty of places to criticize AOC for. Taking photo ops with the NYPD? Wrong. Joining the Tara Reade coverup crew? Wrong. Voting for a military budget? Wrong. And if you want to withhold your support of her because of any of those things, that's fine. But the idea that she's a careerist like Obama or a sellout like Elizabeth Warren has very little evidence behind it. She is pretty clearly an enemy of the Dem establishment. If I'm wrong and she turns out to be a grifter, then fine, I fell for it. But she's clearly in the same vein as Bernie - she isn't controlled opposition, she's insufficient opposition. If you believe in electoral politics at all, you want more of her in Congress.
I find it....peculiar, that she was a pre-med student thru sophomore year & still graduated in 4 yrs w a completely different degree
This isn't even remotely suspicious. Probably half of my friends from undergrad switched degrees at some point and graduated in four years, and tons of them switched from pre-med (a notoriously difficult program).
and even more peculiar that she worked in Ted Kennedy's (spook family) foreign affairs office (in Massachusetts) at just 18 years old w no college
My sister in law worked in a congressperson's office at 18 and she's far from a CIA agent. If you're interested in politics and do well in school, there's a decent chance you can land a summer internship like this. That thread seems like a stretch.
This isn’t even remotely suspicious. Probably half of my friends from undergrad switched degrees at some point and graduated in four years, and tons of them switched from pre-med (a notoriously difficult program).
I can't help but be suspicious that she's Obama 2.0. As in, posing as someone who will shake up the status quo, while cynically planning to do nothing. And there's also that circumstantial stuff about her getting a job with Ted Kennedy's foreign affairs office at age 18, and working in Niger on a Gates Foundation grant right before the coup.
Maybe I've been paying too much attention to the excerpts from Obama's book. I'll happily admit I'm wrong if she helps bring about the revolution.
(edit: Niger, not Nigeria, sorry. And see the links the replies)
She's a SocDem. This is what they do.
Obama was always very pro-establishment. They just ran the perfect campaign for him in 2008 cause he was an outsider and they pushed things with progressive grass roots organizations. As soon as he won, they dismantled all of that. He even said so on his campaign that he wasn't really focused on ending the war in Afghanistan. There was just little focus on that and after 8 years of Bush, people wanted something different.
Is she a radical Marxist who is going to push a revolution? Of course not. SocDems aren't that. She is to the left of the establishment Democrats who are pushed so far to the right that they would be conservatives in any other country.
So many people on the left really want a savior. That's how Bernie was treated and it's how AOC is treated. Fact remains, we still got a lot of work to do.
being critical of AOC is good but like i honestly dont think she wouldve endorsed bernie if she was obama 2.0.
She endorsed someone who the Democratic Party was never going to win. That means nothing. Fucking Bill DeBlasio endorsed Bernie...
If she wasn't Obama 2.0, she would have mentioned the DNC conspiracy against Bernie.
AOC's policy positions are much, much more concrete than anything Obama ever proposed. Obama was all about nice sounding pabulum, not firm policy. AOC is at the very least an honestly SocDem SocDem, which would still be a huge improvement. No, she's not going to bring about the revolution, that's silly, she's not even a Marxist. But she isn't Obama either.
Just to add on to that, the day she beat Crowley she wiped all of her progressive foreign policy positions from her website.
I get the suspicion because the left needs to be wary of everyone but like...her background and actions so far are absolutely nothing like Obama.
AOC is a politician born and bred from the working class who openly identifies as a socialist. Whether you think she's a socialist or a socdem is up to you, but the fact that she's outwardly IDing as a socialist in a party that despises socialists is already more courageous than anything Obama did. AOC was a bartender, Obama was a Harvard-educated lawyer. Obama dissolved his organizing apparatus the minute he touched political power. AOC does boots-on-the-ground mutual aid work in her district. Obama never made any major moves against the establishment in his career. AOC endorsed Bernie Sanders at the lowest point in his campaign, right after he had the heart attack. If she wanted to sell the left out, she would have backed Warren who was angling hard for her vote. Despite what some of the terminally online say, she doesn't punch left and it's not like she's a careerist profiting off her office. She literally called him and gave the endorsement when we weren't even sure if Bernie was going to be healthy enough to campaign. AOC openly supports defunding the police and uses that slogan. Obama tone polices people who say it. I can guarantee you she has absolutely no future in the Democratic establishment and she knows it.
There are plenty of places to criticize AOC for. Taking photo ops with the NYPD? Wrong. Joining the Tara Reade coverup crew? Wrong. Voting for a military budget? Wrong. And if you want to withhold your support of her because of any of those things, that's fine. But the idea that she's a careerist like Obama or a sellout like Elizabeth Warren has very little evidence behind it. She is pretty clearly an enemy of the Dem establishment. If I'm wrong and she turns out to be a grifter, then fine, I fell for it. But she's clearly in the same vein as Bernie - she isn't controlled opposition, she's insufficient opposition. If you believe in electoral politics at all, you want more of her in Congress.
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wait, what?
Yeah, stuff like this really shouldn't be thrown out there unless it's backed up.
https://web.archive.org/web/20200512160002if_/https://twitter.com/allegedlyzo/status/1258468130046820357
edit: yeah, I fucked up and said Nigeria instead of Niger, sorry
This isn't even remotely suspicious. Probably half of my friends from undergrad switched degrees at some point and graduated in four years, and tons of them switched from pre-med (a notoriously difficult program).
My sister in law worked in a congressperson's office at 18 and she's far from a CIA agent. If you're interested in politics and do well in school, there's a decent chance you can land a summer internship like this. That thread seems like a stretch.
Also, pre-med isn't a major in and of itself.
Yeah, it's not my post. I agree that stuff isn't a big deal, but it's counter to the public image she's been trying to cultivate, too.
It seems pretty far from anything worth even mentioning.
oh wow
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https://web.archive.org/web/20200512160002if_/https://twitter.com/allegedlyzo/status/1258468130046820357
edit: yeah, I fucked up and said Nigeria instead of Niger, sorry
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