I just have a bad feeling the people in charge rushed it and cut corners to get it out to the peasants asap and make them shut up.
Atm, I'm kinda wanting to wait like, a month, after it's available to the public to see if anything bad happens.
That's a great article, thanks for linking it, but holy shit does that guy like auto-falacio.
a vaccine exists, therefor our cubicle-workspace full of unvaccinated employees we refuse to give medical coverage to is perfectly safe.
mandatory all staff meeting in an hour, and i want to see all those happy smiling faces around the communal doughnuthole trough!
office people may get forced back to work
Loss aversion will help people refuse to stop working from home
I'm sure it's fine that the Pfizer CEO won't take his own vaccine, perfectly normal
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/14/pfizers-ceo-hasnt-gotten-his-covid-vaccine-yet-saying-he-doesnt-want-to-cut-in-line.html
I won't be able to take it for at least a few months, if at all.
Honestly, if I had a choice I'd rather go with the Chinese vaccine, given that it's basically a traditional vaccine instead of the fancy newfangled mRNA vaccine thingy.
So I get where you're coming from with it definitely; there have been so many corners cut by big drug manufacturers before this that it's very reasonable. But this one is at least partially different since up till now a lot of the problems have been economic; justifying the research expense, current cost of the disease they're targeting etc. And one of the few things we know about this vaccine is that there is a market for it and funding for the research. Now, the decisions about rushing to market could be bad or could create new harms, but given how many unknown harms there are to having covid in the first place it's going to be a hard thing to qualify whether they're being irresponsible. But I think it's generally good that they're moving as fast as possible on the vaccine.
Also, this might make your fears worse; but they designed at least the modena vaccine in only 2 days after the genome was published, and the entire time since then has been manufacturing it, refining it, and testing it. There are also a wide variety of different types of vaccine being developed.
Here's a thing from Nature about all the different vaccines being studied: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01221-y
Unless you’re a nurse or in a nursing home you’ll be waiting at least a month anyway.
Skepticism is good, but compared to older vaccine methods I think this is generally safer, I’m surprised there have been as many side effects with the mRNA vaccines, this is basically the same strategy that’s used to make cells in Petri dishes turn green. Looking online, it’s straightforward enough that I can’t figure out why it would be unexpectedly detrimental in patients.
Yeah that’s pretty much it. The soreness and inflammation, all that is a result of your immune system checking out foreign contaminants.
The thing about trials is they have to document everything that happens to everyone regardless of actual cause. With the Bell’s Palsy stuff, 4 out of 50,000 is at or below what you could expect to see in a population in a year (15-30 cases per 100K).
A post a while back was asking if we would take a vaccine approved by the FDA and I was wondering the same as you. They reassured me kind of by saying how how great the FDA is but that the usual methods of testing weren't gonna be used. Also don't know if companies have immunity to lawsuits for this make me feel apprehensive.
I've done a fair bit of travelling and I always get every vacation they'll give me, but yeah I'm way skeptical of this one. Probably be 3 to 4 months before it even starts being available to the general public though so we have time to wait and watch.
Holy shit you got a vacation from travelling? The rich really do keep getting richer don't they
Good damn I really need to start watching out for auto correct shit.
"I got so much money, my money makes money" - someone who has no idea how many people he oppresses.
I wouldn't put it past the US government to do something shady like giving the masses bogus vaccines. I could just be paranoid though.
"Why would Americans be anti-vaxxers?"
Reads American history
"Oh no. Oh no no no."
The fact that it needs to be kept in super cold conditions worries me. Not because it isn't effective, but because how many doses are going to be mishandled and sterilized inadvertently due to that mishandling? The China vaccine, shelf stable at normal vaccine temperatures, is a much more rational approach. I wish I could get that instead.
I'm with you on this. I have a heart condition already and they have shown no evidence of longterm side effects.
It is a rushed vaccine. Before the election, the mainstream media was dead set to deny any vaccine as a miracle cure in case Trump won, but now that Biden won, it's all OK.
My guess is that the vaccine probably won't work and will be seasonal like a flu shot and if there are any side effects to it, that will turn away many people from getting it.
The ONLY guarantee is that Pfizer has made billions of dollars and set to make even more. The vaccine race turned into a gold rush for pharmaceutical companies.
will be seasonal like a flu shot
I so fucking hope there won't be a new SARS coronavirus every season (though Br*ts supposedly found out that there already is a mildly different corona running around in the TERF island).
If the west would act rational like China it would at most affect one or two cities per season for a few weeks. But of course saving lifes and avoiding an almost permanent semi shutdown are a small price to pay for our FREDOM!
That's my greatest fear too. This vaccine is so rushed, I can't help but think it's going to blow up in their faces.
I’m suspicious of Pfizer because of their connections to Hillary Clinton... but other than that, I’m still learning.
Honestly, I wouldn't be scared. If anything this is just an example of how fast vaccine development could always go if capital actually cared about it.
