If you arent downvoting trans posts intentionally or being shitty in comments fear not, if somehow you do get banned message a mod and talk about it, it isn't some sort of heartless algorithm it's a person, so yea mistakes may happen but quick fix.
Going thru some discomfort to make a segment of the userbase ,who have been quantifiably driven from the site, more comfortable is a noble cause.
It's just asking cis to put forth a bit of emotional/mental labor to show their trans/nb comrades they see what is happening and that they care.
What is more important being able to accidentally downvote with reckless abandon or creating a supportive space?
Yea. Automatic bans for voting patterns is wack, no matter how well-intentioned. For everyone that gets wrongly banned and messages a mod and gets reinstated, someone else will just say "well fuck that" and never come back.
A vocal number of users and mods seem to want to turn this site into a trans discord server. Every fight seems recently seems to be trans-related, every other big post is trans-related.
And this is all being couched as very radical (lots of catgirls with ushankas and AKs), but is basically just a lib framework of antiracism promoted by Ibram Kendi and applied to trans, where cis people need to self-flaggelate and undergo "emotional labor" and excise their unconscious transphobia to become "a better person."
100%. It's easier to make a niche website with less than 10,000 users a "safe space" for trans then it is to make your neighborhood an actual safe space for trans. Yet the effort is played up as radical and communist, when it's actually just sad and liberal.
Waging a campaign to purge users from a small niche website, enforcing some weird version of an anonymous progressive stack, and acting like it's revolutionary is sad and liberal, yes
oh, do downvotes hurt your feelings? I wonder what that would be like, to post something positive and then have it heavily downvoted for no reason. Wonder what that would be like. :leslie-shining:
I made a comment elsewhere explaining it. I'll repost here:
If the issue is that trans users are seeing the number of downvotes trans-positives posts receive and that makes them feel unwelcome, then just remove the icon that shows the number of downvotes a post received. Still allow downvotes, but make it like reddit where you only see the net voting. There’s any number of reasons why someone might downvote a post and I understand that trans users might see the downvotes and think it’s targetted because of trans reasons. This fixes the immediate issue at hand. Obviously there is some deeper community building that should go on on making the community welcoming, but that kind of thing isn’t something that can be solved with new rules and mods.
Not really just dont intentionally downvote trans stuff because its trans stuff and you will be fine, if its an accident msg a mod and get the account back or just make a new one. Sorry sweetie but 1 trans account is worth 3 cis ones so its a net gain.
That was a joke as I couldn't believe the reply wasn't one.
Show me the huge swath of accounts that were unjustly banned and didn't return, I know of a handful that did talk to someone and it got sorted out. I know of a significant amount of trans accounts that left the site because of the issues hence my initial comment poking fun at the cissexism that is preventing people from taking the easy action to not be shitty to comrades.
It isn't a site based algorithm banning anyone who downvotes 3 times there are people looking into the downvoting history and comments to establish a harmful pattern.
The problem comes from what constitutes a pattern. Mods have already said that they can't looking up a users vote history, they just look at a post and record the upvoters/downvoters.
So if someone downvotes multiple shitty trans-related posts and then upvoters multiple good trans-related posts, they'd still get flagged as a transphobe, some mods are just looking at individual posts.
The mods are working together compiling the data and then examining the profiles of those in question as well as previous warnings. It isnt a haphazard or automated process, and it's based in lessening a quantifiable harm done to people and solidarity.
As someone who frequently experiences harassment based on being visibly trans I would appretiate a space free from stupididpol types to discuss leftist theory and ideas.
I've been involved in many in person organizations dedicated to the embetterment of life for trans people but it is more important to work on reconciling this in a movement that would have the means to improve everyone's lives.
This are spitball numbers but if 25 chapo accounts of trans people left this month due to the intentional downvoting and 5 innocent accounts got banned during the purge and 11 of those previous trans accounts return that's a net benefit not to mention the show of solidarity to the rest of the trans people here.
Finally as posted elsewhere trans people arent a political monolith plenty have internalized cisexism that manifests in wanting to make things easier for cis people as to not be a burden rather than criticizing the system that causes trans people to be constantly accommodating.
It's not neoliberal vapid actions to demand that people make an effort to be considerate.
if 25 chapo accounts of trans people left this month due to the intentional downvoting and 5 innocent accounts got banned during the purge and 11 of those previous trans accounts return that’s a net benefit
Yea I just don't see this as a good thing. There's got to be better ways to deal with the problem then an action that knowingly bans innocent accounts
Cissexism part 2: electric boogaloo.
If you arent downvoting trans posts intentionally or being shitty in comments fear not, if somehow you do get banned message a mod and talk about it, it isn't some sort of heartless algorithm it's a person, so yea mistakes may happen but quick fix.
Going thru some discomfort to make a segment of the userbase ,who have been quantifiably driven from the site, more comfortable is a noble cause.
It's just asking cis to put forth a bit of emotional/mental labor to show their trans/nb comrades they see what is happening and that they care.
What is more important being able to accidentally downvote with reckless abandon or creating a supportive space?
Yea. Automatic bans for voting patterns is wack, no matter how well-intentioned. For everyone that gets wrongly banned and messages a mod and gets reinstated, someone else will just say "well fuck that" and never come back.
A vocal number of users and mods seem to want to turn this site into a trans discord server. Every fight seems recently seems to be trans-related, every other big post is trans-related.
And this is all being couched as very radical (lots of catgirls with ushankas and AKs), but is basically just a lib framework of antiracism promoted by Ibram Kendi and applied to trans, where cis people need to self-flaggelate and undergo "emotional labor" and excise their unconscious transphobia to become "a better person."
It’s radlib performative activism and it is exhausting
100%. It's easier to make a niche website with less than 10,000 users a "safe space" for trans then it is to make your neighborhood an actual safe space for trans. Yet the effort is played up as radical and communist, when it's actually just sad and liberal.
are...you saying trying to make a safe online space for trans people is sad and liberal?? or am i misinterpreting your comment?
Waging a campaign to purge users from a small niche website, enforcing some weird version of an anonymous progressive stack, and acting like it's revolutionary is sad and liberal, yes
me: i want the trans subs to not be 25% downvotes, so trans people feel safe to be here
you: thinking of other peoples feeling is reactionariy
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Lol. I engage in good faith criticism and get downvotes before I can even add the previous comment. Fuck off
oh, do downvotes hurt your feelings? I wonder what that would be like, to post something positive and then have it heavily downvoted for no reason. Wonder what that would be like. :leslie-shining:
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I made a comment elsewhere explaining it. I'll repost here:
If the issue is that trans users are seeing the number of downvotes trans-positives posts receive and that makes them feel unwelcome, then just remove the icon that shows the number of downvotes a post received. Still allow downvotes, but make it like reddit where you only see the net voting. There’s any number of reasons why someone might downvote a post and I understand that trans users might see the downvotes and think it’s targetted because of trans reasons. This fixes the immediate issue at hand. Obviously there is some deeper community building that should go on on making the community welcoming, but that kind of thing isn’t something that can be solved with new rules and mods.
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"Liberalism is when socialists do stuff online, and the more online stuff they do, the more liberal it is"
It's amazing how much you're telling on yourself right now
Not really just dont intentionally downvote trans stuff because its trans stuff and you will be fine, if its an accident msg a mod and get the account back or just make a new one. Sorry sweetie but 1 trans account is worth 3 cis ones so its a net gain.
Why not just post to a trans only forum then?
That was a joke as I couldn't believe the reply wasn't one.
Show me the huge swath of accounts that were unjustly banned and didn't return, I know of a handful that did talk to someone and it got sorted out. I know of a significant amount of trans accounts that left the site because of the issues hence my initial comment poking fun at the cissexism that is preventing people from taking the easy action to not be shitty to comrades.
It isn't a site based algorithm banning anyone who downvotes 3 times there are people looking into the downvoting history and comments to establish a harmful pattern.
So again what's the problem?
The problem comes from what constitutes a pattern. Mods have already said that they can't looking up a users vote history, they just look at a post and record the upvoters/downvoters.
So if someone downvotes multiple shitty trans-related posts and then upvoters multiple good trans-related posts, they'd still get flagged as a transphobe, some mods are just looking at individual posts.
The mods are working together compiling the data and then examining the profiles of those in question as well as previous warnings. It isnt a haphazard or automated process, and it's based in lessening a quantifiable harm done to people and solidarity.
As someone who frequently experiences harassment based on being visibly trans I would appretiate a space free from stupididpol types to discuss leftist theory and ideas.
I've been involved in many in person organizations dedicated to the embetterment of life for trans people but it is more important to work on reconciling this in a movement that would have the means to improve everyone's lives.
This are spitball numbers but if 25 chapo accounts of trans people left this month due to the intentional downvoting and 5 innocent accounts got banned during the purge and 11 of those previous trans accounts return that's a net benefit not to mention the show of solidarity to the rest of the trans people here.
Finally as posted elsewhere trans people arent a political monolith plenty have internalized cisexism that manifests in wanting to make things easier for cis people as to not be a burden rather than criticizing the system that causes trans people to be constantly accommodating.
It's not neoliberal vapid actions to demand that people make an effort to be considerate.
Yea I just don't see this as a good thing. There's got to be better ways to deal with the problem then an action that knowingly bans innocent accounts
Yea if you have an idea I'm sure it would be considered. It's a rock and a hard place