I just discovered that Radical Reviewer believes the western account of the 1932 Ukranian famine, and I could not be more disappointed.
I just discovered that Radical Reviewer believes the western account of the 1932 Ukranian famine, and I could not be more disappointed.
I think Stalin and the Soviet leadership are responsible of criminal negligence and they should have resigned after their failure.
Could they have done better with the tech and organization at the time? I dunno if an underdeveloped war torn country they could have made much better choices. I think if we compare it to the american dust bowl the numbers dont look as bad as we think.
We could make better choices now. I think we forget sometimes just how wild and new a thing it was they were doing.
Was Stalin's agricultureal policy up to the task at the time? No, he was born in the 1800s and was a robber by trade. The last policy they had was set by an inbred wizard. He was still a step up you know?
Probably something to the argument that the chaos caused by their rapid reforms didn't help.
They, at the very least, failed to address it.
real problem wasn't really grain procurements or kulaks infiltrating collectives and ruining them per se. at least not when looking in the aggregate
it was literally the volume&state of productive forces within agriculture in these vital areas
kulaks stood on a gold mine, and just like how emerald mines in Afghanistan work with 19th century tech to keep prices high, kulaks wanted to remain on top of the pile & hold back the technology to benefit selfishlessly
remember famine was endemic to these areas until after collectivization
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somehow the americans avoided tens of thousands of deaths that might be worth looking into
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Any good sources on starvation during the Dust Bowl?
pretty sure more people than that died of starvation/malnutrition in the US during that period
much much fewer than the USSR. high estimates of 7,000 from the dustbowl, couple hundred from starvation in the GD generally. even if underreported the numbers are very different.
not saying I trust this guy's methodology, but it could be lot higher
Even if we take the low estimate, The United States should have fared even better in comparison. They had much more developed industrial agriculture whereas Russia was still transitioning away from peasant farming through the collectivization policy in question, and had suffered a recent famine in 1891-92. Through the Agricultural Adjustment Act, FDR paid farmers not to plant in order to keep food prices high during a shortage instead of... distributing food to those who needed it and still providing financial support to the farmers to prevent them from going under, or something.
I'd of said his numbers were too high but living through covid it all feels real plausible
that's an extraordinary claim, you know the rest
What about the embargos that the USSR weathered between the October Revolution and the famine? Surely had they not been being scalped by the western world, they could have been better prepared for a famine, or prevented it all together?
The entire Siberian War, too
Massive negligence and callousness. Happened in Kazakhstan too, there's a good book on the famine in Kazakhstan that came out recently, The Hungry Steppe.
Kazakhstan where backward elements & kulak-bai criminals & nomadic warlords attempted to resist modernization to the point of destroying their neighbors' ability to produce food?
kind of makes me cringe that you are defending kulak-bai destruction of the harvest, ngl
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Do you have any sources on the forced population movement they did, or the settling of ethnic Russians in the soviet satellite nations? I know for sure about some degree that went on in Azerbaijan