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Watchmen wasn't really directly copaganda, it was like very radical centrist about the whole thing. Wasn't the plot basically "some cops protect us from white supremacists, some of them are white supremacists, in conclusion cops are a land of contrasts. Anyway, who'd here for blue hogs?"
Batman The Dark Knight Returns (the comic) is one of the most disgusting fascist copaganda I've ever seen.
At least it didn't paints criminals as absolute subhumans that must be exterminated, and reformers advocating for rehabilitation as dumb degenerates.
Didn't the criminal bad guy in the final film literally live as a subterranean human?
Yeah but I think it's because it was supposed to be a symbolism about "rising from the bottom" but literal because you see, they live in a literal hole.
But in the comics, the bad guys is this gang of teens known as the "Mutants" (no relation) who are pretty obviously coded as an inner city punk gang filled with sadistic, illiterate kids who the comics repeatedly underlines cannot be rehabilitated. The comic would have these little tidbits of in-universe tv debate between Lana Lang (yes the same one) whos stance boils down EXTERMINATE THE BRUTES versus this strawman progressive bleeding heart who's a big poopy head because thinks that extrajudicial murder is bad. Of course in the context of the comic he's wrong because he lives in a murderous fictional hellworld, but the rehabilitationist are written in a realistic way, as in they advocates actual points about criminal rehabilitation, that the comic's negative depiction of them feels strongly like a propaganda hit piece.
Yeah third one is entirely anti-Occupy propaganda.
Dark Knight Rises Spoilers
Bane makes no sense - he wants to take down the stock market, free all the prisoners, and lock up all the cops underground only to... blow the entire city up?
Taking down the stock market, freeing the prisoners, and trying the CEOs was just a ploy covering up his real goal of blowing up the city.
Because no one will ever actually advocate for those things as anything but a smokescreen, you see. Anticommunist propaganda 101
It's been a while since I've seen the movie, but I don't see why he even needed a ploy and couldn't have just blown up the city as soon as he had the bomb.
As in, I get that it's anti-communist propaganda, but I'm trying to figure out how that even works with the plot, unless Nolan has really just fallen that far that he can't even make it make sense.
Rewatching Batman: The Animated Series and nearly every other villain is a either a victim or the owner of a business
I wonder where I got my inherent distrust of businessmen
90's was the early days of big evil software guys. Bill Gates had a reputation as a cold-blooded killer before he started fixing his image with philanthropy.
This is why I refuse to watch past season 2 of stranger things
I haven't seen season 3 in awhile, but I remember one of the children just came outta nowhere and said this, "You know what I love most about this country? Capitalism…it means this is a free market system, which means people get paid for their services, depending on how valuable their contributions are.” It was kind of jarring to hear a child spew some pro-Capitalist shit like that.
And it was the black girl too.... Which somehow makes it worse?
You're not supposed to like or agree with that character.
Season 3 was lame in itself but it had the evil Soviet commies as the main enemy. Hard to tell how much of it was sincere and how much was just an homage to all the 80s movies that did this.
The typical romanticizing of the 80s is itself a sort of pro-capitalist propaganda. It often conceals harsh realities of the 80s like deindustrialization, the AIDs crisis, CIA death squads, the crack epidemic, the gutting of social safety nets and so on in favor of nostalgia for gimmicky products and pop culture that was at the time often a mouth piece for US imperialism.
Right, I sort of did too. I think the writer's intent was more of a spoof on the 80s trope. I mean, it's Russians in secret bunker under a mall. Not sure it's meant to present a serious critique of the USSR.
What I don't let them off the hook for is everything else wrong with season 3. Just bad all around, IMO.
They took the occult Cold War conspiracy stuff to cartoonish lengths.
I swear like all of the post 10s girl power cartoon out there have pro monarchist message.
"What if we stop the bad despot with GOOD monarch?"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Views_of_Lyndon_LaRouche_and_the_LaRouche_movement#The_%22British%22_conspiracy
This person then claimed the Soviet Union was " violently antisemitic " in that thread.
so basically as a leftist jew i can obviously recognize that the soviet union sucked for a multitude of reasons not limited to the violent antisemitism
"""""leftist"""""
Your quintuple quotes here are really showing your antisemitism here smh.
USSR saves eastern Europe from hitler, gets called "violently antisemitic" - hate to see it
"posters will be so good and the BOOM anti-communist propaganda"
Kind of surprising no one is mentioning Mr Robot. I love the show but it's funny how the villain went from Jeff Bezos to chinese minister and the political plot from anarchism to socialdemocracy and anticorruption.
Yeah that was so fucking disappointing. Esmail is a major lib though so makes sense.
I actually have not seen that one, but I'm rewatching with a roommate and we might get that far.
Watch the first season and then stop if you don't want the politics to get way shittier
Edit: I also just wanna say that Mr. Robot has such incredible visual aesthetics, and some terrible terrible written ones. You write a Chinese hacking group into the story and you decide to call them the fucking Dark Army? Cringe
Was not a huge fan of the first season. It felt like a liberalized Fight Club.
Yeah I have to agree on that, the entire FC twist should have been left out and added nothing to the plot.
Robot
Eh, i kind of like how it accurately portrays how an anarchist revolution formed by 5 guys would completely fail and be coopted. I guess i'm a phase 2 gang.
Please do, it's awesome. Lots of LGBT representation, discussion of mental health and drugs and tons of mindfuckery. If you are only going to watch shows that are 100% anarchist/communist you are going to run out of media pretty fast.
So sad it was libbified. Yet its libbification resulted in the show being cancelled no?
The show was lib from the start, it simply had anarchist aesthetic. And no, as far as i am aware, no.
It barely struck me as anti-communist. Like Amber said "It's not about politics, it's about the office politics of politics."
Death of Stalin is obviously anti communist
Nobody made fun of Khrushchev more than the communists. And the communists consistently had the best jokes.
You don't get access to an actual nuclear sub (including its crew) and similar hardware for filming unless you completely bow to the US army I guess. The only times the government is portrayed in a bad light in this show is through single villain rotten politician that the military team always manages to foil, sometimes with the help of a good guy politician.
It's still a show I love, though.
Worst part was when other countries discovered the stargate project and wanted in and it was framed as an outrageous request. They acquiesced when high-tech alien Thor showed up and said "No I will only work with the Americans." It's disgustting that SG-1 took place concurrently with the iraq war.
Atlantis Holds up better because the US military isn't that present at least less recognisably similar.
I just pretend it's satire and eat my slop tbh.
The whole ancient aliens thing is so fucking over the top racist as well. I got no idea why I'm watching it, I just love the cheese.
I got no idea why I’m watching it
It's a really good SF TV show if you manage to ignore the pro-military and pro-imperialism shit in it (which, yes, is hard, it's pretty regular), that's why. Farscape was still better in my mind though - at least there you follow a group of criminals. And some of the characters there (Rygel, Scorpius...) are unforgettable. But still, SG1 was very good, with both the caveats above and others (such as the O'Neill character having basically zero character development through the whole series).
I really need to do a stargate SG-1 podcast ala the west wing thing. I maintain that SG-1 is basically the west wing thing with space travel, at least compared to star trek.
It's slightly different, west wing thing is 90s nostalgia from the early 2000s, SG-1 is from the 90s, and I swear almost every tv show and movie from that era fully bought into the end of history thesis. Imo it's definitely lib brained, but end of history lib brain just hits different. It's weirdly positive, Sorkin never would've dreamt up the amount of international cooperation that Stargate franchise did.
It kinda flipped back and forth, like the lib president always overrules the general to side with the anthropologist iirc but then the military guy always saves the anthropologist, so it both sides it lol.
Yeah lib Canadian analysis makes the most sense. I think a pod of it would be interesting as it wouldn't be quite as monotonous as going through sorkin brain every episode.
I started watching the new season of cobra Kai and there’s a scene where karate kid goes back to some old village in Japan and is shocked to see a red lobster and baskin robins. When he ask about what happened a local says “ these companies saved us, they gave us jobs” ......lol
"Saved you from what?"
"Uh... listen. See that security camera? We can't talk about it here. Anyway, meet my niece, the VP of a fictitious Japanese Tesla you need in order to preserve your petite-bourgeoise lifestyle."
I had to go total lib brain to enjoy the new season. Tons of racism, bad depictions of prison/juvie, bad depictions of the vietnam war etc. But thats most tv i guess...
So wait is the show The Americans :hammer-sickle: any good? I watched the 1st season when I was a stupid lib/high schooler so idk how it really is
its a good show, first four seasons are incredible, season 5 the writing and the politics simultaneously nosedive (yes it sadly becomes a capitalism propaganda show) but the actors still sell it. season 6 isnt bad but its so cringy to watch that i’ve been slogging through it for months lol
its worth watching for sure. its very confused about ideology shit but thats fine, its more about the characters than the cold war itself
Yea i felt like they were kinda confused with the politics of it, especially with the whole
*spoilers
Phillip is starting to love America!!! shit. But then like they're happy to be back home at the end, so idk what message they were trying to say. Like i dont think the writers even knew anything about the Soviet Union except "no food!1"
damn this is the first time im spoiled about the show but thats cool it might just inspire me to finish it now
lmao the setup is pretty implausible where they learned to speak spotless unaccented english in a couple years of training but idc its still a great show you should give it a chance...
