Wow.
Sigh, this again. Yes these numbers are not surprising if you listened to the critiques of Bernies campaign from the grassroots.
Bernie ran a terrible campaign in 2020, he refused to critique Biden. He repeated "trump bad" and "russia stole the election" making him sound like any other democrat. Finally he went around saying "Joe biden is my good friend".
If you want people to think you will fight for them and give them m4a, gnd etc etc, you have to take on the establishment and show people you are willing to fight. Bernie did none of that, he became Schumers lapdog in the senate, and invited the worst type of DNC grifter consultants into his campaign. Voters noticed.
I really don't know if that's what sunk him. The exit polling thing is enough to make me really question how many of those states he lost. He's one of the most popular politicians in the country.
He's also a tired old socdem, but I do think you'd be in a very different position with him as president.
The mainstream media endlessly concern trolled him about being too far left, and it worked on suburban liberals. Then around december Bernie went on late night show and said that "Yes Joe Biden could beat Trump" and that he was "his good friend".
That destroyed any hope for Bernies campaign. If covid hadn't happened Trump would still be president.
Okay, I really really don't agree lol. The vast majority of the country does not give a shit about Bernie saying that Joe Biden is his friend and could beat Trump. I really can't understand how that could be what sunk him, except for those of us on the old sub.
I'll bite. I think it had a big impact. Not because people said to themselves, Bernie and Joe are friends. No one gives a shit about that. Its more Bernie was the only one with enough media juice and clout to articulate an assault against Hey Fat and push a narrative that framed Rapey McPuddlebrain in a bad light. He didn't do that. Joe literally stumbled into the no. 1 spot and Bernie didn't do shit to stop it.
I still think you're assuming the general population saw the primary the same way we did. I don't think any of them needed or wanted to see an assault on Biden the way we did, because most of them don't hate Biden the way we do. They liked Bernie roughly the same or better but when the media told them he didn't stand a chance and was already losing they ate it up.
The exit polling discrepancies still tell a different Super Tuesday story.
yeah, he wasn't going to win like that. I'd still have voted for him? but I'm usually not an idiot.
I think in hindsight maybe Bernie’s people just miscalculated how much people really, REALLY hate Clinton.
I think this is a large part, the larger field is a large part, but also the decrease in caucus states is another. In 2016 he did very strong in the caucus states relative to the others.
this is really bad but considering all the ratfucking and competing against 72 other candidates, he didn't do terribly
Yeah consider 2016 Bernie liberals who went for Warren instead because Feminism, or Biden because of electability. It's hugely significant. There were so many new flavors of president.
Essential reading on this subject: http://berniewouldhavelost.com/ Despite the title, this isn't doom-material, it's a very, very good analysis of what happened.
TL;DR: unionizing and community defense is all we have.
Good read, but it is doom material if you still have any faith left in electoralism.
I want to post that on ESS and see how the upvotes and comments differ.
I mean, Warren is a snake but she also got like 0.0006% or whatever percent of the vote. What did she finish in Iowa, like fourth? Didn't she get 3rd place in her home state? She's a snake for trying to tank Bernie but I don't think she pulled off enough progressive votes from Bernie to make a difference.
Eh there are ways besides directly pulling votes away from Bernie that can hurt his campaign. She smeared him as a sexist and a hatemonger for months before dropping out. Hard to say that didn't ring in a lot of people's minds when it just came down to him and Biden.
ehh more like people who thought even the luke warm socialist(social democratic) policies were TOO RADICAL for them, while trying to seem as progressive
My parents voted Bernie in 2016, and refused to in 2020 because his extraordinary support for Hillary in the general election.
"Lesser-evilism" just alienates any worker who understands the truth of the Democrats.
I think we often forget about how much people disliked Hillary, which makes her nomination even more funny/abominable.
A number of rich republicans also voted for Biden and Bloomberg in 2020 because their party’s primary was uncontested. More working class voters checked out this cycle/became Republican if i had to guess.
