I'll be real with you guys: If a civil war were to ever actually break out here, I'd probably just make a run for it to Canada or Mexico.
As a leftist that would be the smartest move. Pack your bags and leave with your family/friends the moment you sniff something's up. The government absolutely knows your ideology and you beliefs, and in the case of a civil war, the government would be more than willing to "accidently" out any leftists to make sure they are removed first. With leftists removed, the outcome of the civil war would be either a good result or better result from the perspective of the ruling class.
I would start planning now. You already have fascists storming the capital and the democrats are obviously going to ramp up the police state in response because there clearly wasn’t enough security in their view.
Obviously you can’t leave until after COVID, but if the actual event starts you wont be able to make it over without a lot of prep work done in advance. Immigrating is hard at the best of times, doing it when you have to worry about car bombs going off regularly is not something you want to do. Countries move slowly and wont be taking ‘refugees’ either for fear of offending whatever power wins until it’s clear the situation is completely out of control. Even after that they still wont want to take them for fear of the instability being exported. Look at how the EU is handling immigration from the Middle East. When your countrymen have a reputation for blowing up anyone suggesting socialized health care since it’s communism, how many countries will look favorably on fresh immigration from there? The US is very far away geographically from the rest of the world limiting your options further to effectively Canada, Mexico and interstate travel. The time to get 80% of the way out of the US is now.
im pretty good at first aid and have used it a lot of times so id probably just end up helping casualties as a nurse or some shit, dont think i could ever stomach killing someone tbh. plus, from what ive heard from people in civil war areas (not in the middle east), life is very strangely and terrifyingly the same as it was before, just you have a chance of getting shot while commuting to work and there are way more shortages.
Yeah honestly it would be pretty bleak to be a leftist here during that happening any time in the near future. The deck would completely be stacked for the right, and even if they lost we’d probably just get some form liberalism again.
The police are hyper-militarized fascists, there are semi-functional right wing militias, the libs aren’t even fucking soc dems, the military is a mixed bag of ideology, and there’s no significant left presence at the moment.
It might be pretty black pilled but I’m with you on trying to just leave instead of getting the KPD treatment
who do they think the two sides are, if not the liberal establishment and the far-right trumpers?
Yeah, as CFO of antifa, I can tell you that we are currently "incredibly stoked" to fight to the last to defend president Biden for the preservation of the public option
presumably as "liberal gun owners" they mistrust cops and state power more than your standard liberal? my guess is these people are leftists without any class consciousness.
yeah, it does look better than i expected and there are some socialists on there. when i had last seen that sub a year or two ago they were way bigger libs
We got serious about banning outright right wingers, which naturally steered the subreddit back to about where it ought to be.
They believe we have some kind of Wiemar Germany situation where communist street gangs are rumbling with a Trump version of the Freikorps and eventually it's going to escalate into full scale warfare. Elements of the federal government will gravitate towards one side or the other and supply them with troops and tanks or whatever I guess. It's part of the liberal worm brained belief that the US government has a diverse set of ideological stances within it and can be guided in that manner, rather than the state simply being the violent bureaucratic apparatus of capital.
imagine buying all that shit just to sit on your ass and do nothing with it
don't like
but their petit bourgeois class interests are fascist
well, the thing is with civil war, is its very messy. people switch sides pretty easily as soon as the messy stuff starts to effect them personally. people are all talk until they get hit in the face. the soviet union wasnt created by diehard communists, it was created by fence sitters that had their shit kicked in and realized the communists had the best path to power and the best hope for the future
most modern firearms are pretty easy to get into, if there were a real war situation that sort of competency would be trained up quickly. sure, they might not have it at first, but its not like the chuds are an organized army and will be capable of doing mass confiscations quickly and so on.
also, gotta mention that active combat experience and gun shooting experience are very different from each other. you can be a really good shooter and well studied but that doesnt mean youll know how to conduct yourself in a skirmish
more just getting shot at in general. i used to watch videos a lot of civil wars to understand how things start and people at first just have no clue how to orient themselves when something super loud happens near them, even hardcore jihadis that have killed before. like im pretty down to never get in the gritty on that shit ever, its brutal.
I think it's more that they've bought into the fantasy that they'd be killing helpless unarmed people, and don't expect to do much dying themselves.
It's like that Hemingway quote:
When you go to war as a boy, you have a great illusion of immortality. Other people get killed, not you... Then, when you are badly wounded the first time, you lose that illusion, and you know it can happen to you.
I have a feeling most of them don't need to be wounded to lose their nerve though.
a lot of the conservatives are ready to die for the cause and don’t seem afraid at all
Sure there is a few, but most of that is just bluster
because libs are just controlled opposition lol
the rulers would MUCH rather have all POC exterminated overnight, than to have an actual race war.
dead black people is bad for profits, but dead black people AND dead white people is like 10x worse for profits. They don't want POC to fight back.
Nawwww my dad and I already talked about this. If the chips are down he's on red team
Every Reddit post about this type of thing, or Bumble honeypot witch-hunting, or any kneejerk definitions diminishing the frustration of large groups of society, etc., it's all some fucking honeypots for themselves.
"OH, YOU GUYS CAN'T FIGURE OUT THE TEAM? I'VE GOT ALL MY SHIT READY FOR WAR AND I LOVE THE THOUGHT!!!"
That's the type of shit they're putting out to start making all their lists.
Edit: Oh yeah, and since this is the radical Leftist version of Parler, this is also the same kind of bullshit. Thankfully, I'm about to attempt the classic escape from social media promptly, because I can't handle the level of mindless manipulation I'm seeing. Well, the people mindlessly allowing themselves to be manipulated.
https://www.reddit.com/r/liberalgunowners/comments/kx6ibk/militantly_moderate
Agreed. If there’s one thing i despise about some SRA members is how hard they get for the idea of killing Nazis. It’s literally the same as Nazis wanting to shoot libs and commies. Ideally you should never want to use your gun on anyone, Nazi or not. If it comes to it, it comes to it, but fantasizing over killing your political adversary for the sake of it is fucking weird.
:agony-immense:
Removed and frankly most of the comments are calling out the post as bullshit.
it's really interesting how we're primed to understand a second American civil war will occur over contradictory cultural interests, i.e., red states vs blue states, libs vs chuds, as if any of that means anything at all to the state or the vectors of economic power. It's just symbols of personal expression for the public all the way down.
"red states have more guns so we win" Yeah ok the federal government has drones and only cares about your status as wage slave to the ruling class.
The US state has no qualms bombing American citizens, such as in Philadelphia in 1985. The real thing to consider is that no sufficiently armed and militant movement would be allowed to get to a point of substantial power, or at least the state would stop at nothing to prevent one from gaining power. Americans usually don't need to be bombed because we're docile subjects. Stepping out of the bounds of docile subject is when spying, assassinations, police crackdowns come in.
My thoughts are kinda scattered right now, sorry. What I mean to say is that even if all red state militia people picked up their AR15s tomorrow, they'd be pacified within a week if that's what the state commanded.
it’s really interesting how we’re primed to understand a second American civil war will occur over contradictory cultural interests
not really interesting, just obvious. If you expect your dog to not eat your steak, well that's called being a lib.
“red states have more guns so we win” Yeah ok the federal government has drones and only cares about your status as wage slave to the ruling class.
the thugs who defend the ruling class mostly share sympathies with the red states. A pretty lib-energy post IMO, it's the kind of take where you just keep pretending that the rich are able to control the white nationalists, until suddenly they don't anymore. And up until that very second, anyone who says otherwise is a "nut job doomer", and then you get busy denying their next prediction which is bound to come true within 12 months. Not you specifically, just the people who carry the energy of this particular post.
Just like everyone was pretending trump wouldn't get nominated, then wouldn't win, that corona was nothing, that trump is going to concede peacefully (you are here), that the rest of this year will be a recovery, etc et al
I have to admit I often have a level of cynicism that gets in the way of recognizing any actual threat. I'm very skeptical that any level of warfare, balkanization, or whatever based on the split of "libs vs chuds" would ever happen. If you're talking about skirmishes or random acts of violence or some kind of pressure on the state that ends up hurting already marginalized groups, then yeah, I'm on board. That's going to happen and already is. I'm definitely not someone who believes there will be a recovery. The creep of terror is already here. We're living in it.
I'm skeptical that the "red states" would split from the "blue states" because I don't believe that's a real thing that reflects any likelihood of armed combat against those with contrary cultural values. My chud uncle hates my commie guts but am I supposed to believe he'll be part of some secessionist movement? Some neo-Confederacy? I'm not convinced.
Should I believe they're dangerous and getting more emboldened? Sure, yeah. There's going to be an increase in right-wing terror. Is that tantamount to their Qanon delusions? I have no idea.
Guess I expressed the wrong thing and might be talking to the wrong people on this one. I have too many chuds at work talking daily about the red states forming a new government and completely splitting from the blue ones because "red states have all the guns." There's no energy in any of the levers of power to do anything like that. There's plenty of energy in I don't know...pogroms or lynching or street patrols of fascists marching into poor neighborhoods, which is how I see this energy expressing itself.
Sorry, I'm rambling. Thanks though for the crit though, honestly. Please call me a lib when I deserve it
