Roman toilets were fucking gross. Apparently they used to sit in a circle like that and shit while facing each other like that so much that it turned into a social activity, and there were social expectations of what kind of conversation was appropriate or not. So much so that people would make an effort to try to take a shit with powerful people who had a lot of influence, get this, because the strict Roman social order made it so that it was only socially acceptable to have certain discussions or make certain requests apparently if you were both shitting poop out of your ass at the time. That's not even the grossest part - when the Romans build those public shithouses, they didn't have a separate drain pipe for each toilet. Nope, they were build in those horseshoe half-circles like that so they could have input on one side where the water would enter, it would then flow from one toilet to the next to the next to the next until it got to the last toilet, where it would carry that person's shit/feces, as well as EVERY OTHER shitter's feces down and out the drain into the sewers and eventually out to the city's centralized cesspool (Which the city of Rome happened to curiously call "Cloaca Maxima" ... not even gonna think about imagining to touch whats going on there). So if you were shitting on one of the last toilets, and some fecal fiend at the other end had Taco Bell for lunch, you'll probably come to know exactly what they ate. Supposably there was a whole culture around this too, and you were expected to give warnings if you were at the front of the line and in the midst of a battle with your bowels. Failing to do so was considered not just unspeakably rude, but also a serious insult/act-of-disrespect, and not only would people accidentally doing it face serious vengeance from the victim, but sometimes Romans would do it ON PURPOSE to disparage the victim, as an intentional diss and extreme act of derision.
Compare the imperialist chauvinist shitting experience of the Romans with the peaceful non-patriarchal palace economy* of the Minoans and their private room full-fliushing toilet experiences that had advanced sewage treatment and didn't leave you dealing with someone else's shit. And thats not even getting into them having done it literally thousands of years before the Rome had public bathrooms. God damn that fucking volcano that went off and burned down the cities or let loose the minotaurs of however/whatever abruptly ended their actually civilized civilization. We coulda been so much more progress by now.......
*Palace economies were like proto-socialist methods for distributing goods, most famously used by the Minoans, and the very very early Christian Church ( back when it was still literally a 'sell everything you own and give the money to the poor'-type cult and kinda rad). Basically the peeps voluntarily collectivized their stuff in this centralized location of the Palace (Knossos being the biggliest one) , where everything would be doled out to whoever needed something. The actual redistribution was done in this case by a king (or Minotaur, or some high power in charge), but fkn aye nobodys perfect on the first shot, and way cooler than most everything that was to come in the future after them.
they used to sit in a circle like that and shit while facing each other like that so much that it turned into a social activity
Based af, the rest eh but that's based
That’s not even the grossest part - when the Romans build those public shithouses, they didn’t have a separate drain pipe for each toilet. Nope, they were build in those horseshoe half-circles like that so they could have input on one side where the water would enter, it would then flow from one toilet to the next to the next to the next until it got to the last toilet, where it would carry that person’s shit/feces, as well as EVERY OTHER shitter’s feces down and out the drain into the sewers and eventually out to the city’s centralized cesspool
fun fact, I've lived in an apartment that they broke into multiple apartments after the building was built without consulting a good plumber & figured since the toilet's pipe led to the bath's pipe which then went to the sewer, they could just attach the other 3 bathrooms they were adding to the building to the bath pipe of the next unit between the last one & the sewer, so if two units up-stream of you flushed their toilets or drained their bath at the same time it'd back up your bathtub. They knew it was like that (I made sure to have let them know, if they hadnt known before I moved in) & they never, ever, ever did anything about it. They accept 3/4ths of people's income for the privilege of getting to bath in eachother's actual shit-water
We can still find fossils of these parasites in the petrified poo in roman archaeological sites.
It's how we got the expression "the wrong end of the stick". 🤮
i always thought the "kings" of ancient Minos were likely just storehouse managers that over time became 'royalty" through virtue of the importance of their job. especially if you assume they came from a more communal, neolithic cultural tradition. so basically going from primitive communism to primitive state socialism. plus women ran the priesthood, owned stuff, and had nearly full equality with the men. pretty based culture lots of what-ifs if the volcano never blew.
It fucks me up everytime I remembers that egalitarian communal socialism is the natural state of human society and what we have now is basically a fucking Eldritch nightmare.
Remember what they took from us.
Yeah, the palace economy was pretty much the bronze age extension of the hunter-gatherer neolithic tradition where everyone would go out and do their hunting and gathering and then plop off whatever they got or didn't get into a big circle of food, and everyone would eat regardless of how much they personally were able to contribute that day.
Still less alienation than the modern shitting experience :deeper-sadness:
ikr you could talk to your buddies while blasting away. Nowadays you have to bust a blood vessel trying to dump as much as you can during your one 30 sec bathroom break
The cat is trying to build community with you and you just sit there and post
POV: the guy across from you at the roman communal toilet is making eye contact with you while you take an extra spicy shit
I don't know what to tell you, but put some cubicles in and that's literally the plumbing diagram of a public restroom. And what is a municipal sewage treatment plant but a cloaca maxima?