https://lemmy.world/post/6099744
Leftists: This war is spilling unnecessary human blood for gas and oil
Libs: This war is spilling unnecessary human blood for gas and oil
Liberals stop impressing me with your barbarism challenge level IMPOSSIBLE
We don't have to pay the medical costs for all the Ukrainians who get shot or blown up!
Absolute ghouls
The US paying to rebuild Ukraine and covering medical care for Ukrainian veterans and civilians is the one thing that could really shake my idea that the US is the bad guy in this war. I doubt the US is willing to pay the 100s of billions over decades that would take.
no way is that going to happen after the war everyone is going to be scrambling to loot ukraine to get back the money they lent them
Oh absolutely, I'm certain of this. That's why it would shake my worldview if that didn't happen and instead the US massively invested in the Ukrainian people.
if it helps I think people might loose money trying to loot the country. If they try and treat it like the eastern european goldrush in the 90's they will likely find the rewards far more meagre than expected. In the 90's there was tons of soviet infrastructure that could be got for a litteral steal now everything worth having is gone or destroyed in the war
it's more India in 1940 than india when it had kings who couldn't fight a war to save their lives and palaces of easily portable gold
The best you'll get is american healthcare companies (just a disgusting chain of words) privatizing the Ukrainian public healthcare system that was a legacy of the Ukrainian SSR. Don't think for a second America has Ukraines best interests at heart when there's a buck to be made
Didn't we start giving them depleted uranium rounds a few months ago?
All the birth defects in Fallujah are a total coincidence
Yeah, what's up with that? Was that due to the lack of tanks or something? That can't end well long-term.
They're definitely willing to let the IMF loan them the money to rebuild.
@TomboyShulk@hexbear.net is @JWBananas@startrek.website purge worthy for that ghoulish take?
It's not my take. It's the bean counters' take. They surely use justifications like that one to get involved at all.
So among themselves, libs will admit to this being a proxy war? Cause when they argue with us they act like that is a wild accusation.
There was a comment further down that said "don't call it a proxy war, it's not" but didn't provide any reason lmao
Well they love to jack off about hard men making hard decisions while hard, kind of ruins the whole fantasy if they set the whole thing up instead of having to react with steely stoicism to events outside their control
This is great for everyone! You know, except the Ukrainians getting torn in half by shells,
"Maybe Ukrainians shouldn't keep dying in this war when the west has no intention of accepting them into NATO"
"This proxy war is a great return on investment because we don't have to care for any of the Ukrainian veterans. Got a blown off leg? Slava Ukraini and get back in the front line, patriot!"Anyway, something about Soviets and Russians throwing waves of soldiers and elderly people to get slaughtered to win an inch or something
the russians have always preferred to fall back if they don't like their positioning or odds. The theory being that they're Russia they have plenty of land
"Long-term most of the funding actually goes to the VA"
Dumb opinions about a heavily propagandize war an ocean away is one thing.
But this? this is the kind of delusion that calls everything else you say into question
People aay the strangest things to justify our military spending.
I remember once someone responded to the budget increase by saying that "they need to pay the troops, their was a raise for them in the budget." Do they believe even 1 of those 800+ billions annually goes to paying da troops? A lot of military families are on SNAP, they pay them shit. You could give them a raise and still not scratch the defense budget
I remember once someone responded to the budget increase by saying that "they need to pay the troops, their was a raise for them in the budget." Do they believe even 1 of those 800+ billions annually goes to paying da troops? A lot of military families are on SNAP, they pay them shit. You could give them a raise and still not scratch the defense budget
Surely nothing bad will come out of a state not feeding its own troops https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2023/01/what-it-means-for-hunger-to-burn-through-the-pentagons-ranks.html
Not to mention all the homeless veterans too. It's a disgrace.
Its a disgrace because homelessness is man made and easily solvable. Not because some were troops. Fuck the troops
It's not an opinion that providing weapons is cheaper than providing soldiers. And it's certainly not an opinion about the merits of being involved in the first place.
Factually, if you're going to be involved, weapons are cheaper than boots. That's it. I don't like being involved at all.
The way how your comment was phrased, it look like you were saying the bulk of US military spending is on veteran care, which would be an absurd claim.
There was a citation in the original post. The screenshot cut it off.
The total cost of the US post-9/11 wars is $8 trillion by 2050, approximately 1/3 of which will go to veteran care and the majority of which has not yet been paid.
Yes, 1/3 by 2050 is not most. My bad.
Yes, it will continue to rise after 2050.
The statement that funding another country's military is cheaper than putting boots on the ground isn't a hot take or even a position. It is objectively true.
I don't like war. I'm not cheering for war. I don't endorse the parent post's take about it being a proxy war (have you never contributed to a conversation while simultaneously suppressing the urge to ackchyually the other person?). And I do hope that humanitarian assistance is provided down the line by the parties involved.
Call it a proxy war, or don't. It doesn't make any difference to me what people want to label it. That doesn't change the objective truth about the cost difference. Either way, I would love more of my tax dollars to be steered away from war and toward the problems in my own country.
The screenshot did not cut it off. You added it later in an edit.
The statement that funding another country's military is cheaper than putting boots on the ground isn't a hot take or even a position. It is objectively true.
No one here is arguing about the accounting (aside from doubting that most of it is going to the VA). Of course its cheaper! Its also a disgusting and ghoulish thing to endorse. That's why it got posted here.
I don't like war. I'm not cheering for war. I don't endorse the parent post's take about it being a proxy war (have you never contributed to a conversation while simultaneously suppressing the urge to ackchyually the other person?).
I'm not enthusiastic enough about accounting to view a gross and inhuman statement that endorses "fighting to the last Ukrainian" because its cheaper and good for US empire, and think, "well its horrible, but i can't argue with that math."
And that's not an "akshually" that's a statement of principle. NATO supporting ghouls are no better than the nazis they arm and support. They deserve a spot in the pit next to them
That doesn't change the objective truth about the cost difference
If that's what you care enough about to post over here, or see statements endorsing proxy war and only care enough to congratulate their objectively true math, then fuck you.
You can say you hate war all you want, but when it comes down to it you don't care about them making a nakedly evil and indefensiblely ghoulish position, you care more about math so
Have you considered that I agree with your take, and that I think this is the sort of callous justification that the bean counters use when making these sorts of decisions?
No I havent, and i don't care what you claim to believe. Say you are against war all you want. You saw a post say dead Ukrainians and Russians is good for the US, and that the US paying for it all is good because its cheaper. And your first reaction was, "math checks out."
That's even how you were just trying to justify it a moment ago. You didn't say, that person is wrong and I'm actually against NATO and this kind of thinking. You said its not even a take, just "objectively true math."
I understand your position. I have edited the original post to add context.
"Formerly your biggest advesary"
Like yeah if you spend decades scaring yourself with ghost stories I guess the result seems impressive for spending over a hundred billion dollars. This is like the bear patrol episode of the simpsons.
"They also have the ability to sever Europe's need for Russian energy"
How's that working out so far?
The VA comment is
. Omg literally just mask off "it's not our boys dying""They also have the ability to sever Europe's need for Russian energy"
I assume this is because the official story atm seems to be that Ukraine blew up Nordstream 2 (and definitely without any help from the Americans wink wink nudge nudge)
That, but even that has resulted in Europe buying Russian gas from India as a much more expensive price so the argument isn't even true
The Ukraine War is a tragedy because Hollywood won't be able to produce Shoot and Cry movies since Americans don't want to read subtitles.
They can do it hunt for red october style where everyone starts speaking in a cheesy accent
BORIS NOŁ, LUK AUT!!!! DAT TERITORI YS MAJND TU HEL ENT BAK!!!!!!
I already see them going that route.
Oh, you think the war is bad? Well, let me load up my actuarial tables to prove how this war turns a profit!
With the current movement, they want everyone to change their behaviour and the way they think about things.
You'll often see criticisms of the modern gender movement labelled as "homophobia" but they aren't.
Shut the fuck up reactionary loser
lost lib in thread defending NATO shit
post history full of transphobia
Why does this happen every time?
stop using interpersonal metaphors for international conflict it doesn't work
Let's go with your dumbshit metaphor.
In this case it would be continuing to give the girl money so it keeps happening because the rapist is "your former I ternational rival"so wasting his time and effort is a big win as far as you're concerned.
if you think about it, the more deadly a war is, the better, since it leaves fewer useless eaters behind!
They defederated with us pre-emptively because they knew we had the posting tenacity to possibly shake up their reddit-brain circle jerk
It's fascinating to see these people come to something of an understanding, albeit superficial, of some of the most obvious realist motives and calculations behind the US's essential involvement in Ukraine as if they were stumbling onto a revelation, which should have been not only obvious before it even began (the US's foreign policy in this regard hasn't changed in 30 years) but should have made obvious how incomparably dangerous the US is, only for them to then say: "actually this is smart and good, I love paying top $$$ to impoverish Slavs and Chinese people".
I just saw they've started drafting women, so at this rate it may well get to that
Yes, ladies and gentlemen and enbies of the war crimes tribunal, these posts right here.
