So, many more people are raised right wing which may mean that way more people in the future are going to be right wing.
Just kidnapped like 16 fascists (babies). Raising them in a shed in the back. Got a VHS player with soviet cartoons in there. I got us covered.
Fucking god damn it. Actually. Just checked on 'em and one of them snuck in fascist media (COD: Black Ops). My plan has failed. I told them they could only watch Revolutionary Girl Utena blu-rays on that PS3.
Leftoid Praxis v2.0: Breedageddon commences. It's out only hope, I guess.
Just built a second shed next to the first one where I'll house the new children and succeed this time.
Gave up having any sort of personal ethics, mental fortitude, or will against my adversaries. Going full bugmode now.
No, it's naive to think children follow what they're taught by their parents. If that were true, we'd still have slavery and feudalism.
Well… not everyone was raised to be pro-slavery and many people hated the monarchy. It is naive to think that the way one is raised has no sway in the way people end up being. The way and ideas people grow up with shape the way one thinks. Sure, many overcome it, but many don’t. And the more propaganda increases in the future, the harder it will be to pierce through the eco chamber.
You missed the point. People back then didn't get raised with liberal values like we do now, and yet we now have those liberal values widespread. People weren't raised irreligious and yet atheists proliferate. Reality and especially the crushing reality of Capitalism often radicalizes people away from their childhood propaganda.
I think that I am just skeptical since I have a lot of religious right wing family members that no matter how much capitalism and their country kicks them to the floor, they still spout patriotic, religious, homophobic, transphobic and class traitor nonesense. And from my own journey to leftism, it takes a lot of effort and education to reprogram a brainwashed mind.
Add one to the list: IIRC zelensky's grandad fought for the soviets, while zelensky is, well...
But wouldn't Zelensky's grandfather have lived in Ukraine whilst it was under Soviet control? He wouldn't have had much choice in that case.
Look at the nazi that was just recently honored in Canada. They had a choice.
He was drafted, yes, but it's not like there were no defecting fascists or other such factions. If he was Jewish (idk Zelensky's specific ancestry and Judaism is traditionally matrilineal), then he probably sided with the Soviets because the Soviets sought to protect racial minorities from fascist butchers.
Even the "left" opposition of the Makhnovists had a real problem with members murdering Jews and other minorities. The "left" opposition otherwise (like whatever Sholem was doing before he left) had a very small presence.
Nope. For us to win we must get converts. If it's just 3% more or whatever it makes little difference.
Think of it this way: if you have two kids and a 100% success rate at raising little socialists, you've only "replaced" yourself and nothing more. A good organizer will radicalize hundreds of people over their lives and have an effect of creating more organizers that will do the same.
That “good organizer” sounds like a magician to me. I cannot even convert my parents.
Oh, comrade, don't count yourself out for that. My parents are too far gone for me to bother with, but they're in their 60's (I would say "retirement age" but lol, not happening in
).You have to triage your efforts:
- Firm Supporters
- Soft Supporters
- Soft Opposition
- Firm Opposition
Focusing on moving people up this ladder is what keeps me going. If I can take some radlib off the sidelines, make them active agitators, and bring them into the Firm Supporters category, that's a win. If I can convert a hardline liberal/conservative to being on the sidelines instead of actively opposing us, that's a win. You have to do what you can with what you have. None of us are perfect organizers, but maybe we can get a little closer to that goal.
It's only about 2-4 people per year if you start at 20 and organize for 50 years. This is very achievable if you put yourself in scenarios to meet people that are "almost there". People that like unions, marginalized people trying out community organizing, parties/orgs that allow libs and baby leftists in but don't let them dominate, orgs that table at political rallies and protests (competently), holding events where you invite the community to watch a movie or hear a speaker. Party-building stuff, basically.
Edit: oh and also be ready for emergency mobilization and recruitment. Never be caught off-guard when something like George Floyd's murder happens. Libs will take over and sheepdog if you don't (intelligently) insert yourself and work with your coalitions. This means being part of coalitions before the big events hit.
An agitator's job is not to convert but to sow the seeds. Every crack in capitalism is another place to put a seed and "That's capitalism for you!" is a seed that can be cast every day. Just keep pointing out the contradictions of capitalism and let people convert themselves.
Nah, material conditions will radicalise them. "Your children will be communists"
I am absolutely not worried about people's personal choice to have kids or not. I am worried about a how much "antinatalist" rhetoric there is amongst what is considered the left, which is actually just recycled malthusian and neo fascist talking points. I am worried about how many people can't have kids not because they chose not to, but because they think that they can't afford children.
The right wing cultists having families of seven kids are a very small minority. Most people with right wing political views simply don't want to do that. In most western or industrialised societies, people are still having less kids on average, regardless of political views.
they think they can’t afford them
I am pretty sure they don’t just “think” it, but they actually can’t afford them under our current system
The bourgeoisie will never struggle to have kids, that's kinda the most significant materialist factor for any kind of difference in birthrates across ideological lines.
I genuinely hate anti-natalist. They are absolutely trash as human beings. I would punch one in the face if I meet them. This issue seems like a lot of them are Reddit brained. Absolutely evil dumbasses like those on r/childfree seems to be turning into a more acceptable ideology in real life as well. Antinatalism is nothing more than a new paint of coat on the wall of fascism.
How is it evil or fascist to think having kids is wrong? They aren't saying "disabled people having kids is wrong" or "black people are out breeding white people". It's "no one should have have kids". Unless they secretly mean only white people should have kids (which doesn't seem to be the case?) it doesn't seem evil or fascist. A moral position you don't hold, or find odd, but I don't understand why that would be evil.
Like, some people think birth control is immoral. That's doesn't make them evil, unless it's part of something else (white Christian values are being replaced and you need to defend against it).
They say that no one should have kids because of the pain and suffering of life. Their ideology rejects fixing those issues but rather would just have humanity die out. They are strongly aligned with the capitalists.
as a personal preference, its whatever. as a political ideology, the whole point is to oppose people having children. using political machinery. does that really not sound problematic to you?
Antinatalism should be a ban on sight. It's completely reactionary trash on par with denying the existence of enbies.
There is nothing inherently reactionary about antinatalism as a philosophical stance, but I suppose parts of it could be cherry picked and packaged in some sort of genocidal propaganda. It wouldn't be the first time fascists did something like that.
I'm curious as to your understanding of antinatalism, since you consider it reactionary.
My own understanding: Someone who is never born is incapable both of a) experiencing and causing suffering (inevitable part of life) and b) missing positive experiences (as well as being missed themselves).
Having children is a central part of our biology and therefore our society, so I get that most people react negatively and never spend time and effort on the subject. It's one of those beliefs people are more likely to come to on their own than being "enlightened" by a 30 min vid. I think it is partly responsible for me now being vegan, at least the two feel closely connected as far as my values and beliefs go.
As someone that grew up being groomed to be a right wing christian, no.
I am one of 3 children raised to be right wing christian and 2 of us are tankies and one is a hippy.
I don't know for sure about the likelihood of chud ideology transmission from one generation to another, but I can personally vouch for coming from a glaringly chud biological family where no one still alive in it is someone that I maintain contact with.
Mayor Pete's dad was a Marxist scholar who translated Gramsci's prison notebooks into English.
The US Secretary of Transportation, former mayor of South Bend Indiana, McKinsey ghoul, probable spook, and neoliberal poster child. He is the sticker someone else replied to you with.
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How is wondering if other people can afford kids since I cannot, fascist?
Not a fan of this anti-natalist garbage. Also, politics aren't genetic.
Nope. Way too mentally ill to risk cursing my theoretical child with what I go through.
