Because there really isn’t one. My favorite example is the Cold War. Name something bad the Soviets did during this time frame, and I can easily name some US-backed right-wing genocide that was 10x worse and was happening in the same year.
But for some reason, ML states are seen as inherently bad, and you’re an inherently bad person for liking them, but we don’t use that same logic with America.
The best they have against the USSR is famine, which regularly happened in Russia for hundreds of years, and STOPPED during the years of the USSR. And then to take it one step further the USSR overtook the US in caloric consumption and dietary health
People will tell you communism brings poverty and famine meanwhile after decades of global capitalism 2/3rds of the world lives in poverty and we're told world hunger is just something that happens. The System That Works™
Its not really the wests' style to respond to a student protest in their periphery demanding greater rights for workers, free elections and more equitible disribution of wealth by rolling in a bunch of tanks from the core to strongarm them back into subjugation. They are much more likely to finance "rebels" from within the periphery to carry out a seemingly homegrown campaign of terror to bring a halt to any demands that would interfere with their hegemony.
Vietnam and Korea and Iraq were proxy wars, and Afghanistan was invaded as Saudi Arabia's whipping boy. None of them due to a popular uprising pushing demands disfavorble to the core. Compare that to all the times a left-leaning (often democratically elected) leader starts doing redistribution reforms on assets USA is too close to, and suddenly they're deposed in an in internal coup, or even the Iran 1979 uprising
Nicaragua? The whole Contra thing? They were literally using American tanks and being trained by American soldiers. I guess I don't really draw a line between mercenaries trained and supplied by a bourgeois state and the official army of that state. They're functionally identical except the mercs have less oversight.
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Yeah it’s why neolibs getting mad at ‘tankies’ is so weird, like homie you want the exact same thing except NATO tanks rolling over people instead
I always brought this up even before I thought of myself as an ML and for almost ten years I’ve not yet heard a valid response to it
Because there really isn’t one. My favorite example is the Cold War. Name something bad the Soviets did during this time frame, and I can easily name some US-backed right-wing genocide that was 10x worse and was happening in the same year.
But for some reason, ML states are seen as inherently bad, and you’re an inherently bad person for liking them, but we don’t use that same logic with America.
The best they have against the USSR is famine, which regularly happened in Russia for hundreds of years, and STOPPED during the years of the USSR. And then to take it one step further the USSR overtook the US in caloric consumption and dietary health
People will tell you communism brings poverty and famine meanwhile after decades of global capitalism 2/3rds of the world lives in poverty and we're told world hunger is just something that happens. The System That Works™
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Its not really the wests' style to respond to a student protest in their periphery demanding greater rights for workers, free elections and more equitible disribution of wealth by rolling in a bunch of tanks from the core to strongarm them back into subjugation. They are much more likely to finance "rebels" from within the periphery to carry out a seemingly homegrown campaign of terror to bring a halt to any demands that would interfere with their hegemony.
Except Iraq. Or Afghanistan. Or Vietnam. Or Korea. Or...
Vietnam and Korea and Iraq were proxy wars, and Afghanistan was invaded as Saudi Arabia's whipping boy. None of them due to a popular uprising pushing demands disfavorble to the core. Compare that to all the times a left-leaning (often democratically elected) leader starts doing redistribution reforms on assets USA is too close to, and suddenly they're deposed in an in internal coup, or even the Iran 1979 uprising
Nicaragua? The whole Contra thing? They were literally using American tanks and being trained by American soldiers. I guess I don't really draw a line between mercenaries trained and supplied by a bourgeois state and the official army of that state. They're functionally identical except the mercs have less oversight.