Uprising? I'm sorry, but the civilians in Gaza aren't doing any glorious uprising they're hiding from the barrage of Israeli rockets being launched that are leveling their city.
An uprising is not a coordinated military effort, and while I am on the side of the oppressed, i am not going to use a bunch of justifications to dismiss the trauma being inflicted on civilians because they had the gall to be born to parents who decided to move to occupied Palestine.
Sometimes I really wonder how many of you actually care about human life and how many of you care about evening the score.
There were two “Reigns of Terror,” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror—that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves.
Doing "DAE leftists don't care about human life enough??" shit when the people being killed and wounded are literally, and I cannot stress this enough, literally settler-colonists part of a genocidal regime, is incredible. In the meaning of "beyond credulity". My god. No, Israelis shouldn't be punished for being Israelis, nor for being Jewish - they should be punished for being racist settlers! That's the entire argument!
But even if we accept this argument - okay, okay, Palestinians should be morally-perfect, all-rational beings - what is the actual alternative? They want to fight back. Where do they punch? Where do they shoot their guns? If you say "They shouldn't, they should do things peacefully," then congratulations, you are indisguishable from a western liberal, you only differ on whether Palestinians are subhuman or not. If you say "They should only shoot troops and try and either leave unarmed civilians alone or take them hostage and not kill them," that is what they are broadly attempting to do right now. Because Israel has a mandatory draft, the difference between civilian and soldier becomes blurred. Does this civilian have combat training? Do they have a weapon hidden? If you say "They should assault the government, not the people," - how? How do they do that without their convoy en route to the government buildings being bombed into smithereens?
some days leftists will be like "unlimited genocide on the first world, another kkkrackkka down, we will not apologize for the terror" but as soon as a group of long-oppressed people start actually doing shit, and that shit is extremely imperfect because of the human condition of not being all-knowing, all-powerful moral beings 24/7, then they start being like "hm maybe we shouldn't support them, DAE both sides bad??"
Israel has never needed an excuse to maim people and destroy their homes
Okay but the problem is that maiming people and destroying their homes is wrong, and that Israel has a disproportionate amount of power in order to do so on a far larger scale.
go home
To where? What about the ones who are born in Israel and grew up there? What is it that you actually expect to happen to Israeli civilians, and why do you believe that historical injustice is an excuse to inflict more harm?
its not historical injustice, it is current injustice. the IDF has been consistently murdering Palestinians for years, to this day.
send them back to fucking europe obviously, or do you think continuing a genocide because muh history is ok or something? europe can afford to build them housing lmao, they created this problem in the first place.
You don't get points for trying to be unrealistically civil with apartheid occupiers who think you're subhuman. The ones who literally cannot stand to be in your filthy presence without you being legally subject to their racial hierarchy will fuck off back to a country that coddles poor oppressed loser racists like some Rhodesian's did.
The rest will stay and become a real part of the land, rather than a vicious, poisonous tumour growing over and consuming it.
The rest will stay and become a real part of the land, rather than a vicious, poisonous tumour growing over and consuming it.
Thats literally all i want in the end. Israelis and Palestinians living alongside each other in peace, but I don't see how that can come from supporting attacks on civilians, or from saying that they're gonna be made to "go home" - people are saying that ALL the Israelis will be forced to leave, even though ALL Israelis includes black people and other non-Europeans.
that's all i want in the end. Colonizers and slaves living alongside each other in peace, but i don't see how that can come from supporting attacks on civillians, or from saying that they're gonna be made to "go home" - people are saying that ALL the Colonizers will be forced to leave, even though ALL Colonizers includes black people and other non-Europeans.
Okay but the problem is that maiming people and destroying their homes is wrong, and that Israel has a disproportionate amount of power in order to do so on a far larger scale.
The people of Palestine are seemingly stronger willed than you.
To where? What about the ones who are born in Israel and grew up there? What is it that you actually expect to happen to Israeli civilians, and why do you believe that historical injustice is an excuse to inflict more harm?
You see the exact same arguments that you're making when it comes to landback movements. Where do all the settler colonists go? In states like the US or Canada they've just been far more deeply entrenched with hundreds of years of oppression. You have people crying about if we do landback that the native populations will genocide all settler colonists. We're watching the equivalent of the indigenous uprisings in the the Americas happen across the globe in real time as the Israel settler-colonial state is still in the genocide portion of their settler-colonialism. The US doesn't need to have dirty genocides anymore since it's already been done, they get the cleaner genocide of keeping native populations poor and desperate. Would you say that the indigenous peoples of the Americas shouldn't've fought back when they were being destroyed? That killing civilians is a bad thing when those civilians were actively destroying them by not only stealing their homes but by also supporting the absolute devastation of an entire nation while dehumanizing them all?
Just because the genocidal state of Israel can do far worse back should mean that they just lie down and get crushed to death? They have every right to stand up and defend themselves from a regime that has and will continue to destroy them. The ones born there could take up arms and join the Palestinians to fight for their freedom and live in a unified state. Jewish people lived in Palestine before, they can still. The issue is that with a settler colonial state enacting genocide there's only one option for the oppressed, and it's to violently resist because all other avenues have no effect on stopping them.
The settlers need to be arrested and put to labor if they chose to go there and contribute to it and for the ones that are children or couldn’t leave due to economic reasons should be deported to Europe
An uprising is not a coordinated military effort, and while I am on the side of the oppressed, i am not going to use a bunch of justifications to dismiss the trauma being inflicted on civilians because they had the gall to be born to parents who decided to move to occupied Palestine.
I don't even understand what to do with this. Their parents fucked around and now they find out. Like is the self defense of a people supposed to just stop because there will be innocent victims??? There were already innocent victims before this happened, lib.
Uprising? I'm sorry, but the civilians in Gaza aren't doing any glorious uprising they're hiding from the barrage of Israeli rockets being launched that are leveling their city.
An uprising is not a coordinated military effort, and while I am on the side of the oppressed, i am not going to use a bunch of justifications to dismiss the trauma being inflicted on civilians because they had the gall to be born to parents who decided to move to occupied Palestine.
Sometimes I really wonder how many of you actually care about human life and how many of you care about evening the score.
Doing "DAE leftists don't care about human life enough??" shit when the people being killed and wounded are literally, and I cannot stress this enough, literally settler-colonists part of a genocidal regime, is incredible. In the meaning of "beyond credulity". My god. No, Israelis shouldn't be punished for being Israelis, nor for being Jewish - they should be punished for being racist settlers! That's the entire argument!
But even if we accept this argument - okay, okay, Palestinians should be morally-perfect, all-rational beings - what is the actual alternative? They want to fight back. Where do they punch? Where do they shoot their guns? If you say "They shouldn't, they should do things peacefully," then congratulations, you are indisguishable from a western liberal, you only differ on whether Palestinians are subhuman or not. If you say "They should only shoot troops and try and either leave unarmed civilians alone or take them hostage and not kill them," that is what they are broadly attempting to do right now. Because Israel has a mandatory draft, the difference between civilian and soldier becomes blurred. Does this civilian have combat training? Do they have a weapon hidden? If you say "They should assault the government, not the people," - how? How do they do that without their convoy en route to the government buildings being bombed into smithereens?
some days leftists will be like "unlimited genocide on the first world, another kkkrackkka down, we will not apologize for the terror" but as soon as a group of long-oppressed people start actually doing shit, and that shit is extremely imperfect because of the human condition of not being all-knowing, all-powerful moral beings 24/7, then they start being like "hm maybe we shouldn't support them, DAE both sides bad??"
Israel has never needed an excuse to maim people and destroy their homes.
Human life can go back to normal once the settlers go home.
Okay but the problem is that maiming people and destroying their homes is wrong, and that Israel has a disproportionate amount of power in order to do so on a far larger scale.
To where? What about the ones who are born in Israel and grew up there? What is it that you actually expect to happen to Israeli civilians, and why do you believe that historical injustice is an excuse to inflict more harm?
its not historical injustice, it is current injustice. the IDF has been consistently murdering Palestinians for years, to this day.
send them back to fucking europe obviously, or do you think continuing a genocide because muh history is ok or something? europe can afford to build them housing lmao, they created this problem in the first place.
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You don't get points for trying to be unrealistically civil with apartheid occupiers who think you're subhuman. The ones who literally cannot stand to be in your filthy presence without you being legally subject to their racial hierarchy will fuck off back to a country that coddles poor oppressed loser racists like some Rhodesian's did.
The rest will stay and become a real part of the land, rather than a vicious, poisonous tumour growing over and consuming it.
Thats literally all i want in the end. Israelis and Palestinians living alongside each other in peace, but I don't see how that can come from supporting attacks on civilians, or from saying that they're gonna be made to "go home" - people are saying that ALL the Israelis will be forced to leave, even though ALL Israelis includes black people and other non-Europeans.
that's all i want in the end. Colonizers and slaves living alongside each other in peace, but i don't see how that can come from supporting attacks on civillians, or from saying that they're gonna be made to "go home" - people are saying that ALL the Colonizers will be forced to leave, even though ALL Colonizers includes black people and other non-Europeans.
You see, if I rob you at gunpoint and give your stuff to my friends and family as gifts then you can't take it back.
Two wrongs don't make a right. Taking your stuff back would just be robbing innocents!
The people of Palestine are seemingly stronger willed than you.
Our opinions on that don't matter.
You see the exact same arguments that you're making when it comes to landback movements. Where do all the settler colonists go? In states like the US or Canada they've just been far more deeply entrenched with hundreds of years of oppression. You have people crying about if we do landback that the native populations will genocide all settler colonists. We're watching the equivalent of the indigenous uprisings in the the Americas happen across the globe in real time as the Israel settler-colonial state is still in the genocide portion of their settler-colonialism. The US doesn't need to have dirty genocides anymore since it's already been done, they get the cleaner genocide of keeping native populations poor and desperate. Would you say that the indigenous peoples of the Americas shouldn't've fought back when they were being destroyed? That killing civilians is a bad thing when those civilians were actively destroying them by not only stealing their homes but by also supporting the absolute devastation of an entire nation while dehumanizing them all?
Just because the genocidal state of Israel can do far worse back should mean that they just lie down and get crushed to death? They have every right to stand up and defend themselves from a regime that has and will continue to destroy them. The ones born there could take up arms and join the Palestinians to fight for their freedom and live in a unified state. Jewish people lived in Palestine before, they can still. The issue is that with a settler colonial state enacting genocide there's only one option for the oppressed, and it's to violently resist because all other avenues have no effect on stopping them.
The settlers need to be arrested and put to labor if they chose to go there and contribute to it and for the ones that are children or couldn’t leave due to economic reasons should be deported to Europe
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Shut the fuck up apartheid apologist you would both side the Warsaw uprising if it happened today
embarrassing take, comrade. do better
Go read Wretched of the Earth
Palestinians being increasingly harassed, shot and lynched by settlers and the idf for months. It never stops.
I don't even understand what to do with this. Their parents fucked around and now they find out. Like is the self defense of a people supposed to just stop because there will be innocent victims??? There were already innocent victims before this happened, lib.