Hello, chapos.

I'm posting from Dubai, and I hate everything this country stands for. I was born and raised here to immigrant Indian parents, and my dad owns a business, with a small number of migrant labourers under him. He pays them "more than what they'd get somewhere else" and that basically amounts to "send some money back home and live on the cheapest most affordable food" wages.

My mother is a manager at a company, and I recently saw her reprimanding a group of workers who came to raise a silent protest about their wages being halved. I stood there silently and cringed helplessly.

In this hypercapitalist cyberpunk (it is indeed low life, high technology sans the lawlessness) dystopian hellworld, racism, sexism, homophobia and classism is a way of life; and if it isn't overt, it is most definitely covert. I have been suffering from depression, suicidal ideation and mood disorders for the better part of a decade now.

After getting exposed to Marxist theories, the idea that I have been brought up on the fruit of surplus value stolen from labour weighs down on my mind. I also consider myself an ecosocialist, and that in itself is enough for me to hate the hellhole that I stay in. On the few occasions where I have tried to talk about my leftist ideals to either friends or family, I have been mocked, belittled and disregarded as a crazy fucking loser (been NEETing for 3 years now, I haven't been able to find a job with my college degree, and my mental illness makes it hard for me to persist/commit to anything) who is simply bitter and lazy, and is anyways just living off his parents, and is not to be taken seriously. Or they accept that I'm probably right, right before they sarcastically wish me good luck with a revolution.

I'm sick of living like this. I don't fit in anywhere, and when I do, I feel like I'm faking it. And oh yeah, to top it all off, I'm a closeted queer and an ex-Muslim atheist. I feel like I have very little to look forward in life. Doom-scrolling through r/collapse, seeing how the world is being overtaken by neoliberalism, the hate for minorities back in India led by the current fascist government, climate change denial ensuring a shittier quality of life down the decades in the region I live right now, lack of real social connections with irl folks...

I have been seriously considering suicide for the last week, and it feels like more than ideation. I think I've reached that stage of being at peace with suicide, and I think this post is some half assed attempt to reach out for help. I weirdly relate to a lot of the things you dudes say, so I thought I'd post here.

  • PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS [he/him, they/them]
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    4 years ago

    It sounds like you're very isolated where you're at, politically, sexually, religiously, socially. It sounds like you're suffering from a crisis of meaning.

    No one has any inherent reason to exist; we have to find those things for ourselves. I don't know what it is, but you have to find something that gives you meaning. I'm not even talking about a larger political project necessarily. Volunteer work. A music scene. Finding a group to game online with. Something that gets you outside of yourself for a time.

    Don't do it comrade. I hear that you're hurting, but give yourself some time. I wouldn't get a tattoo after thinking about it for just a week

    • Lumpenproletariat [he/him, comrade/them]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      Your observations are right, I do feel super alone, my dude. Crisis of meaning and all that, sure.

      I'm sort of into gaming but I'm in a headspace where I find I difficult to concentrate on anything for more than a while. I spend most of my time locked away in my room, scrolling through articles endlessly and reading up stuff on the net.

      Thanks for hearing me out, comrade, it means a lot ngl, feels good to be heard I guess

  • pepe_silvia96 [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    the lumpen/neet struggle is real no matter where you live. I feel like a fraud having opinions when I've never contributed to society. I know you've got some issues beyond that, but you're not alone as a lumpen.

    • Lumpenproletariat [he/him, comrade/them]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      It's really touching to know that there are people who are suffering from the same stuff that I feel. I too feel like a fraud, man. Glad to know that I'm not alone though, thank you for the kind words.

      • KiaKaha [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        One of the quirks of the modern era is that we can find community in shared isolation.

        We’re all alone together.

  • REallyN [she/her,they/them]
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    4 years ago

    I have been mocked, belittled and disregarded as a crazy fucking loser (been NEETing for 3 years now, I haven’t been able to find a job with my college degree, and my mental illness makes it hard for me to persist/commit to anything) who is simply bitter and lazy, and is anyways just living off his parents, and is not to be taken seriously.

    I relate.

  • Melon [she/her,they/them]
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    4 years ago

    You seem morbidly fixated on collapse so I'll talk about that. There are many stresses in living in a decaying world, but I find some comfort in how world civilization has collapsed before and it wouldn't be all that unusual for it to happen again (though the length of this next potential dark age isn't predictable).

    The Bronze Age ended with the collapse of every civilization except Egypt. It took a few centuries for the remnants of the destroyed world civilizations to eventually rise again through the smelting of iron. Here's a lecture about the Bronze Age collapse that I've found fascinating. Even if this world system falls completely apart, there's still a potential for something (albeit radically different due to climate circumstance) in the future.

    • Lumpenproletariat [he/him, comrade/them]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      I just feel really helpless about the collapse, and yes, you're right, I do have a bit of a fixation with it. Mostly about how everyone seems oblivious/doesnt care or acknowledge it.

      I've saved the link, going to watch it later. Thanks for the stoic take on collapse, even though I'm not sure I can be at peace with it.

  • Mardoniush [she/her]
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    4 years ago

    You're loved and wanted here comrade. Always remember the struggle is global, and we won't rest until everyone is liberated.

    Engles was the Son of a Factory Owner, Marx was an intellectual who married a Countess, Kropotkin was a literal Prince. Trotsky was a wealthy Kulak, Lenin came from serfs that had clawed their way into University and wealth. Stalin was the son of a shoemaker.

    None of these are workers, though the last is the lowest rank of the Petit Bourgeois.

    So as a class traitor you're in pretty illustrious company.

    Dubai sucks, it's the kind of hyper-Capitalist hellhole you only see in the imperial core in places like San Francisco and the London City District. You're in the position of a western communist organiser in 1830, and that's not a pretty place. But look what they accomplished.

    There are comrades and orgs in Dubai, I can't help you get in contact with them for obvious reasons, unfortunately, but they exist from personal experience. Maybe if you look hard enough you'll find them. There are also charitable organisations in the region, you'll often find secular-minded left wingers doing things there.

    You also seem to have close contact with workplaces, if the workers have issues, help them out in small ways. Even if you can only give them moral support out of earshot of your parents, that's an enormous moral boost for a country that doesn't allow unions.

    You might also consider writing. An effort post here about the situation in the UAE from a local Marxist perspective is sorely needed, and I'm sure any number of comrades here would forward such an essay to local left wing publications. At the very least I would love to read it.

    • Lumpenproletariat [he/him, comrade/them]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      Thank you, comrade. Yes I'm aware of how Marx and Engels were the good kind of class traitors, and the parallel you drew between my kind and the organisers in 1830 is chilling.

      I have sat and discussed about communism with one of the workers in my dad's company, and there was a point where there was a mutual recognition about where our political tendencies fell. It didn't go any further than that, because it was somewhat awkward when I had to ground the conversation and essentially conclude by saying "yeah I've read about marxist theory, it's pretty interesting for a bookworm like me haha".

      Thank you for taking the time to write out such a detailed comment, I learned some new things from it, comrade. o7

  • emizeko [they/them]
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    4 years ago

    some of the things you mention about grappling with being embedded in a corrupt system have been things I have found matt's cushvlogs to be very helpful with the way he approaches that problem and alienation in general

    latest one: VOTEBALL: DELENDA EST | CushVlog 02.01.21 | Chapo Trap House

    if I can find a more specific clip that addresses what you said in the second to last pargraph I will update. also please stay with us!

    • Lumpenproletariat [he/him, comrade/them]
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      4 years ago

      I have listened to the more popular segments of the CTH podcast on youtube, and ngl I enjoy Matt's long winded rants, but it's been a while.

      Please do share that clip when you find it, and yes I'll be here, my dude

      • emizeko [they/them]
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        4 years ago

        can't find the one I was thinking of yet, but this clip from one of his appreances on a TrueAnon livestream touches on the same themes

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sm1FTAaEcE

        https://hexbear.net/post/80088

  • RedLeg [he/him,any]
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    4 years ago

    Head up Comrade! You're not alone.

    I used to live in Dubai so I understand the isolation you can feel as well as the disgusting surroundings you're around. It is not the place any person with a hint of Marxist ideals can live comfortably. I am totally unsure of your situation but try maybe and get out the city? Even for a day?

    • Lumpenproletariat [he/him, comrade/them]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      Aye, a fellow comrade who got out of here! You must really get what I'm experiencing haha. Thank you for the comment, I honestly didn't think I'd run into someone who's been around here!

  • FidelCashflow [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    As much as it sucks to be in the boots on the throat of the world. You are in the boot.

    You know who else was in that same position? Fredrick Engles. Now, I am not saying comunism wouldn't exist without him turning class traitor. However it for sure helped.

    Grow strong. Take over your fathers business and treat the employees better. Then do better because your employees are well fed and work extra hard because you are cocoperating. Buy a seccond business and turn the first one into a co-op.

    Keep going till you can defect to cuba and make cool vlogs about about it.

    The movement has enough unhappy people. We dont have many people with the resources as ability to do great praxis. You know why Hollywood writer failsons always write stories about the chosen ones to make them feel better about being successful due to fate? Watch a bunch of those till you feel better. Then go turn class tratior. We need good people like you on the inside.

    • Lumpenproletariat [he/him, comrade/them]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      Turning my father's business into a worker co-operative was an idea that I had entertained ever since my push to the left, it's just that I've other siblings who are stakeholders in the company and are total progressive radlibs who think I'm insane to be so concerned for the workers, echoing my fathers sentiments "they have it better than most and they are grateful for it!". Bringing up the idea of a worker co-op will just be fuel for them to institutionalise me, comrade, but I understand your point.

      • FidelCashflow [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Every step forward is a step that wouldn't happen if you didn't make it. It is going to be a slow plan, but you access to resources so whatever you do the odds are in your favor. Maybe take an hr class and then tell them you think it would increase profits to raise worker pay a litte. Then someday when you have enough money buy some other business and make it a co-op.

  • comi [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    If your parents are well off, can you ask them to ship you to another country with %x% dollars to your name, or to say you want a different degree blah blah and fuck off to australia/other country far enough/accepting enough?

    Edit:like “I care about nature and wanted to become maritime biologist/ecology major or whatever, I feel this is not possible in this country blahblah”

    • Lumpenproletariat [he/him, comrade/them]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      This is a good idea... but the problem is that they aren't that well off tbh, and I tried moving abroad on a scholarship before the pandemic began, but I didn't get accepted. And now the local economy is also in shambles, and the job market's even worse than before.

      I'd have taken this option if I could, for real.

      • comi [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Well, there are a lot of scholarships though, in something like germany, I think they provide a modest stipend/living to everyone (but not super sure tbh), and accept english as primary language. France is more dodgy language wise, uk might be too expensive (and british), there is also non-glamorous europe with good universities, like czechia/finland, which is also cheap, but might be more dodgy minority-wise. Canada might be reasonable? So maybe try to figure out what you want and look through programs, there are hundreds of universities in these countries, something might fit :Care-Comrade:

          • cilantrofellow [any]
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            4 years ago

            Hang in there! All European grad school should be in English by Bologna treaty. Can also look into Canada. I’d steer clear of the US unless you want to do stem phd (which pays you), it’s really expensive.

  • VYZEE [they/them]
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    4 years ago

    Even though I live in the UK and things are undoubtedly much better for me, I relate to you a bit.

    I come from a pretty conservative family (my dad flirts with Nazism), am queer (mostly closeted), my family owns capital and I lived off the stolen labour because of trash mental health. Some of my friends are minimum wage workers in the family business. It's not a good feeling, and it's not one I would expect sympathy for. That's what radicalized me tbh, knowing full well what a piece of shit I am. Not that I'm saying you're a piece of shit, just that I am.

    I was very suicidal for a long time, all I can really say about that is that it can change. Just stick around, please.

    Besides, in a few years maybe you can move to NEOM, where all your dreams can come true /s

    • Lumpenproletariat [he/him, comrade/them]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      God damn, man. Some crazy parallels there, I see them. You get what I'm going through, my dude.

      Holy shit, I just googled what NEOM is! Had no idea about it till now.

      • VYZEE [they/them]
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        4 years ago

        There was a pretty funny Chapo about it, episode 490. It might hit different since it's close to home, but they're also talking about robot dinosaurs and shit so I dunno.

  • VILenin [he/him]M
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    4 years ago

    I guess my situation is somewhat similar. I made a post some months ago that has some info. There's a little more to add, though:

    The most ghoulish relative of mine personally knows even more ultra-ghouls, some of whom have been brought up here as exemplifying the total pieces of shit they are, if I wrote their names you'd recognize them immediately (not going into specifics cause I don't wanna doxx myself). So this person really likes to dine with his ghoul-companions, and they occasionally brought me along. Of course at first I wasn't old enough to think much about it, but eventually I started getting into left politics. I remember thinking I could kill whatever corporate ghoul was present at the occasion if I felt like it. How could I claim to be against these types of people as I looked them in the eye, shook their hands, sat across from them and shared a meal? I never said no because I had (and still have) extreme social anxiety and couldn't muster up the courage to do so. In hindsight, so much shit from my childhood was fucked up out of touch shit that most people can only ever dream of.*

    I lived a privileged life with the people I supposedly despised, all the while dwelling on the sheet hypocrisy of it all, which sent me into a depression. I flirted with suicidal ideation, and I'm still not sure if it was "true" ideation or just me deluding myself into thinking it was. At this point it should be clear there's no redemption arc where I give away all material possessions and go live in a cave. I'm still able to lead a far more leisurely life than most people. The depression never went away, but I haven't relapsed into suicidal ideation (yet!). For me, a way of alleviating it is by using that free time to go out and do things that actually contribute to the community; volunteer work for example, where I made the first actual friend of my life. At least it gives life just a tidbit of meaning to it, which makes things just a little less miserable. I also took up a photographic hobby, and I find it highly enjoyable and it almost always lifts my mood. What you're going through sounds way worse than my situation, though, and I don't want to make this sound like "The One Simple Trick That Fixes Everything!", just thought I'd suggest some things.

    Hang in there. I'd strongly encourage replacing doomscrolling places like r/Collapse with another activity. Don't let things that you can't control make you go full doomer. There are millions in this fight, fighting to keep the light at the end of the tunnel, however dim, alive. Channel the bad news into motivation to fight even harder instead of resigning yourself to hellworld. I try to do this and on a lot of days it just sounds hopelessly naive, but it does give me a few "good days" per month.

    *Basically having like 3 servants in all but in name (they called them "helpers"), frequent trips to places like Paris, only staying in the best suites in the most opulent hotels, frequently dining in the private room of fancy restaurants where $2000 was considered chump change, etc. I can't believe how "normal" it seemed. I still recall a conversation with my parents where I was saying something about the one percent, and they said "[name], we are the one percent.", said completely without irony.

    Well, I guess I'm not exactly the most relatable and easy to sympathize with character (not that I deserve any), but I hope I've made at least one helpful suggestion.

    • FidelCashflow [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      So what class traitor things did you eventually decide to do? Engles plan of funding patreons is a good start

      • VILenin [he/him]M
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        4 years ago

        First would just be not following in my family's footsteps. Second would be the things I've already said, + donating to various organizations. I could do so much more but social anxiety is a fuck. If I didn't mind potentially getting a life sentence I could easily do... certain things but violence bad haha parody. Taking suggestions for more shit to do. It just feels like I could have much more of an impact than I do now.

        • FidelCashflow [he/him]
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          While adventureism is rad is is ultimately not productive. There are effectively infinite neoliberal ghouls to replace any handfull that could be removed. So you dont actually have to feel bad for not going out in a blaze of samurai glory.

          The biggest thing you could do would be to start a mutual aid fund. Imagine if you started a regular credit union and after paying the employees well you just pushed the profit into simply paying for peoples transitions for example.

          I pick this kind of example specifically as you are likely to know the kinda people that can get NGOs to slide cash into a project with liberal appeal such as this.

          Really, I think you are in a better position to investigate how yo turn your access to resources and highly placed people into the kernal of a dual power system.

          Here in the heart of neoliberalism the start of any revolution will be a big pile of money that can be invested and grown untill ebough power is acrued to threaten the system. If you look it up, every projection for how much money it would cost to fix global warming is less than Bezos, or Musk's fortune. If they wanted to, they could just do it.

          So imagine you go Musk wild and make a solar powered robot farm that takes in darpa money to build robots and trians them to hunt mosquites and give the food they grow to people.

          I am under the impression anything like this is fully within the means of a 1%

          Or comedy option. Embezzle as much as you can and defect to cuba will enough money to double their GDP or something. It would actually be hard to find better praxis than this as well.

          • Lumpenproletariat [he/him, comrade/them]
            hexagon
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            4 years ago

            God damn. The part about speculating how it would probably cost less than Bezos or Musk's fortune to fix global warming, and the rest.

            And the things you said about the dual power system. Like I read somewhere, the revolution will require both capital and labour, so you're not doing anyone a favour by pauperising yourself.

            • FidelCashflow [he/him]
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              4 years ago

              A recent united nations report said that fixing climate change could cost 300 Billion. So if musk and Bezos cooperated. They do could the UN plan and have tens of billions left over.

  • CommieElon [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Hello there friend,

    I work as a biologist, specifically restoration ecology, and I feel you on dwelling on the impending ecological and societal collapse aspect. I have worked first hand in ecosystems decimated by human impacts, some where the damage occurred in the past and some ongoing. It almost always feels like a losing battle and I’ve had days when my body felt like it was on fire due to feeling helpless. For example, I worked on ranchlands that are being decimated by cattle grazing. We all know it could restore itself just by removing the cattle but ranchers have a ton of capital and influence and you know the rest.

    However, I’m always amazed by the resiliency of our planet. Ecosystems can be restored both in a biodiversity sense and also in a functional sense. They could also thrive in small pockets in the middle of a metropolis. Or you can remove the pressure which is damaging the ecosystem and it recovers on its own.

    My point is, it’s very easy to get trapped and locked into feeling like doom is on us all the time. I just want to remind you, the ecology of the planet is wonderful and I have hope for it. Just as I have hope for humanity. You’re a testament to that hope. You’re a morally just person and you found it in a hellscape all by yourself. Don’t forget that you’re resilient too.

    • Lumpenproletariat [he/him, comrade/them]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      Damn.

      I was really into biology back in school, so everything you said made a lot of sense. It's really hard to find people who still hold on to hope, especially someone of your qualifications, when the news I have been reading has been super disheartening in general.

      I really admire how you concluded the comment by comparing the resilience of ecosystems to the chance of someone like me existing in such a time and place, and I'm grateful you took the time to put it so beautifully! Thank you so much.

  • Torenico [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    I extend my solidarity to you, comrade. There are a couple of things you must understand though; first you're not alone in your struggle, your struggle is your struggle yes but there are many people like you, fighting every day for a better world, for a just cause, so hang in there because remember, we're all comrades here, we're all fighting for each other wherever we are. Secondly, you must understand that certain things are completely out of your control, so don't let news from around the world drag you down. Injusticies are everywhere, and it's not your fault they exist and the things you can do about it are very very limited, so don't let it depress you, what I think you could do is reinterpret the world around you, understand that this shit is bad but don't go full doomer. People are going to suffer, a lot and for a long time still, but don't let it catch you because it'll literally kill you. Also remember, avoidance is not particularly healthy, it might help for a while but the problem persists, you're just ignoring it, reconfigure your brain so that when you receive the inevitable bad news you won't feel excessively bad about them. For example the world might look like a hellhole right now, but there are thousands and thousands fighting to destroy what's causing so much damage, so you understand that shit sucks BUT there's an army of people willing to sacrifice it all for everyone else, there's a lot of hope out there.

    Stay as healthy as you can comrade, we all have each other here. :heart-sickle:

  • fuckwit [none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    I’m in a very similar situation to you. brother. I haven’t figured out how to reach equanimity in life but talk to me if you need anything.