How does anyone consider themselves a leftist while being virulently anti-idpol? Are they just completely unaware of the role of women's and black liberation struggles in leftist history? Do they not understand imperialism, colonialism, the labor aristocracy, and the right to self determination? Have they not grappled with social reproduction? I get that liberal identity politics is maddening and unproductive, but a complete rejection of it is a complete rejection of the unique conditions which different segments of the proletariat faces. Bourgeoisie feminism sucks which is why we need proletarian feminism. Black capitalism is useless which is why we need black socialism. Not to mention anti-imperialism, which should still remain the primary goal of leftists in the imperial core, You would have to be willfully ignorant to pretend that "idpol" struggles have not always been on the forefront of anti-imperialism (while workers movements have frequently been complicit in it!)
They are sick of politicians using symbolic gestures instead of improving people's material conditions, but don't have the language to express that, so they easily pickup on the anti-idpol.
It's frustration at liberalism at its core. They just took the wrong thing from it.
100% agree. However, I don't think that's what's happening here.
I'm inclined to believe that this is just another case of irony poisoning. Like how Chapos referred to themselves as grey wolves. Notice how that trend has gone? I haven't seen Chapos refer to themselves as grey wolves since the subreddit was banned and this site opened up.
If you check their posting history it's nothing objectionable.
Agreed. Second takes on usernames are only fun if they make you laugh or inspire intrigue. Even as a comedian, Sam Hyde does not make me laugh and the username makes me sad on a leftist chat forum
I don’t see what’s funny about it. Seems kind of shit, and I’m one of the least serious people on this board. Most of my posts are shit-posts. Sam Hyde is a terrible person and the people he’s adjacent to and hangs around are even worse
I’m kind of done responding to this particular convo chain though, you have a nice day.
I don’t think you in particular are a class reductionist, but the way your comment is kind of worded did set me off. I’ll explain why when I wake up. This is my day off, I really need some sleep.
Let’s take to it to PM when I do
Edit: Nice talking to you man and glad we were able to connect and converse rather than screaming at each other
Cool, glad to hear that my ability to get HRT is a tool of oppression, since evidently under bourgeois democracy idpol can only be used as a tool for oppression. Very good and connected to reality take!
Its pragmatism gone wrong. They see a group of hard working manly proles and a tiny by comparison group of annoying college student sjws. And think “this group is small and annoying and accepting their ideas will push away the manly proles that don’t understand or care about micro aggressions. Proles can’t understand big words anyway.”
outside of their imagination It’s cause they value racists over poc and sexists over women and queerphobes over queer people. It’s them who is dividing the left by pandering to bigots who want to devide us.
How does anyone consider themselves a leftist while being virulently anti-idpol? Are they just completely unaware of the role of women's and black liberation struggles in leftist history? Do they not understand imperialism, colonialism, the labor aristocracy, and the right to self determination? Have they not grappled with social reproduction? I get that liberal identity politics is maddening and unproductive, but a complete rejection of it is a complete rejection of the unique conditions which different segments of the proletariat faces. Bourgeoisie feminism sucks which is why we need proletarian feminism. Black capitalism is useless which is why we need black socialism. Not to mention anti-imperialism, which should still remain the primary goal of leftists in the imperial core, You would have to be willfully ignorant to pretend that "idpol" struggles have not always been on the forefront of anti-imperialism (while workers movements have frequently been complicit in it!)
They are sick of politicians using symbolic gestures instead of improving people's material conditions, but don't have the language to express that, so they easily pickup on the anti-idpol.
It's frustration at liberalism at its core. They just took the wrong thing from it.
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Because liberal identity politics is maddening, unproductive and above all divisive.
It takes about 30 minutes on blue check Twitter to ruin your opinion of idpol if you don't know any better.
:this:
Those tweets about not giving money to white homeless people because of their privilege. That'll do it also.
I have to ask again, why are you named after a Neo Nazi comedian?
Edit: For those wondering why I’m curious:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Hyde
according to him
kinda weird that you can view comments from deleted theads
I’ve seen him and I’m always like ‘wtf?’ and I’m surprised he’s not banned yet.
Dude should be long gone. Fascist shit be zero tolerance here.
100% agree. However, I don't think that's what's happening here.
I'm inclined to believe that this is just another case of irony poisoning. Like how Chapos referred to themselves as grey wolves. Notice how that trend has gone? I haven't seen Chapos refer to themselves as grey wolves since the subreddit was banned and this site opened up.
If you check their posting history it's nothing objectionable.
Fair enough. I’ll eat crow. Still a bit of a tasteless user handle, but what can you do
Agreed. Second takes on usernames are only fun if they make you laugh or inspire intrigue. Even as a comedian, Sam Hyde does not make me laugh and the username makes me sad on a leftist chat forum
we have like 10 people named cum....
You don’t see how having a handle after a prominent Neo Nazi might be a problem?
Not really. Its a bit. Some chapos are way too serious
I don’t see what’s funny about it. Seems kind of shit, and I’m one of the least serious people on this board. Most of my posts are shit-posts. Sam Hyde is a terrible person and the people he’s adjacent to and hangs around are even worse
I’m kind of done responding to this particular convo chain though, you have a nice day.
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Wait, you said you're asking again which means you're probably the person who got banned for concern trolling about this.
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lol
Are you actually Sam Hyde? If so, how did you find this site and why are you on it? Lol
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you changed your pronouns within the last 20 minutesEditing back in my alcohol induced oversight for contiguity
I have never changed my pronouns. Why would a "nazi comedian" positively contribute to this site? Of course I'm not him.
You're right, I'm drunk.
But fr tho why Sam Hyde? Do you just share a name with a fascist?NVM thanks for clarification
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Who cares?
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I don't think they really have a comprehensive world view tbh
There's the cynical use of Identity Politics that has contaminated that concept for smooth brians like myself.
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Love the amount of class reductionism in the online left at the moment.
I need to just stay offline for a bit. I can’t stand that shit and I’ll end up in too many arguments
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I don’t think you in particular are a class reductionist, but the way your comment is kind of worded did set me off. I’ll explain why when I wake up. This is my day off, I really need some sleep.
Let’s take to it to PM when I do
Edit: Nice talking to you man and glad we were able to connect and converse rather than screaming at each other
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Cool, glad to hear that my ability to get HRT is a tool of oppression, since evidently under bourgeois democracy idpol can only be used as a tool for oppression. Very good and connected to reality take!
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Its pragmatism gone wrong. They see a group of hard working manly proles and a tiny by comparison group of annoying college student sjws. And think “this group is small and annoying and accepting their ideas will push away the manly proles that don’t understand or care about micro aggressions. Proles can’t understand big words anyway.”
outside of their imagination It’s cause they value racists over poc and sexists over women and queerphobes over queer people. It’s them who is dividing the left by pandering to bigots who want to devide us.