https://www.businessinsider.com/idf-says-wont-back-up-beheaded-babies-disrespectful-2023-10
This is by far the most damning evidence that it absolutely did not happen. If those photos existed they would be sent to every news organization on the planet in seconds
If those photos existed they would be sent to every news organization on the planet in seconds
Which is why we have so many photos from Nazi concentration camps, because they knew that there needed to be proof or people wouldn't believe it.
Shit, Israel (in a rare good move) has state-sponsored efforts to collect documentation of the Holocaust for this exact reason.
That's not disrespectful to the dead, but this would be!
“Disrespectful of the dead to comment on the condition of a corpse”
Oh you mean like your original claim that they were decapitated?
Sorry I want to add nothing to your post other than I like your username. It's a real #Mood moment.
I adamantly think 24 hour news channels should be shut down and banned everywhere in the world. This happens all the fucking time. I've been saying to every idiot that watches any 24 hour news channel that it takes time and work to verify claims. That's what journalism is. 24 hour news channels simply cannot do it in real time. The only imaginable reason you would want a channel that broadcasts news 24 hours a day is so you can have a place to get information about major events in real time, and that is exactly when they will fuck up the most and report a bunch of emotionally charged lies in their fancy official looking news rooms, and it always happens.
A journalist from Israeli broadcaster i24News was the first to say that babies had been killed, saying there were 40.
i24 news is a 24 hour news channel in Israel.
[Challenging: Success] — In June of 1982, the Israeli Defense Forces marched into Lebanon in the hopes of forcing Palestine Liberation Organization members out of the area. The Lebanese Forces, an umbrella party made up of all of the right-wing militias in Lebanon, were engaging in a civil war with the Lebanese government, and agreed to partner up with the IDF. On September 16th of that same year, the Lebanese Forces armed themselves and walked into the neighborhood of Sabra, and then into the adjacent Shatila refugee camp. The IDF encircled the area, preventing the Palestinian and Shiite Lebanese civilians from escaping.
— Don't ignore that feeling in the bottom of your stomach. Hearing this is going to hurt you. Make sure you're ready.[Endurance 12] Listen to the rest of the story.
— An estimated 3,500 civilians were killed in the ensuing massacre. Janet Lee Stevens, an American journalist present in the area, wrote that she saw "...dead women in their houses with their skirts up to their waists and their legs spread apart; dozens of young men shot after being lined up against an alley wall; children with their throats slit, a pregnant woman with her stomach chopped open, her eyes still wide open, her blackened face silently screaming in horror; countless babies and toddlers who had been stabbed or ripped apart and who had been thrown into garbage piles."
— What happened after the massacre? — Nothing. The UN held a vote to condemn it, which passed. Representatives and speakers for the United States, Canada, Singapore, and Ireland complained that it was unfair to call the actions of the IDF and Lebanese Forces a "genocide". Elie Hobeika, the Lebanese Forces leader accused of ordering the civilians to be killed, was later assassinated by an Israeli car bomb before he could testify as to who was responsible for what.
— There's nothing Israel can accuse Hamas of that they haven't already done themselves.Wow, Ireland usually isn't that terrible about anything outside of Catholic issues
The Irish government has always sucked, especially back then. The Free Staters went after the IRA and leftists same as the North
I have never been so impressed by a post and horrified by its contents at the same time
Elie Hobeika, the Lebanese Forces leader accused of ordering the civilians to be killed, was later assassinated by an Israeli car bomb before he could testify as to who was responsible for what.
- — Israel's own Kahan Commission also found that their Defense Minister, Ariel Sharon, was directly responsible for a failure to ensure the safety of civilians in Beirut. He refused to resign, and Prime Minister Menachem Begin similarly refused to fire him. After someone threw a grenade into a peace protest and blew up eleven people, Sharon then decided to remain within the cabinet, but step down as Defense Minister. 51.7% of Israelis polled thought that the Kahan Commission was unfair to Sharon. — What was he doing in the cabinet without a title? — Biding his time. Sharon was made Prime Minister of Israel in March of 2001.
My mom came over to babysit. We went on a walk and she mentioned the baby decapitations and I said it is propaganda. And then she said they showed it on tv...! And that there is a clear enemy, Hamas. I said no, they're freedom fighters, and you're being propagandized. She decided to go home. (Wish I were making this up)
Could I have played it better? Yes. Is the united states the most propagandized country in the world? Yes.
They showed it on TV, huh.
So she's just imagining propaganda now?
They showed something that was hard to watch, that's for sure. My poor mom, watching war snuff films on cable tv...
Instead of insults, ask what they showed on TV, because I doubt it was 40 baby heads.
Is it not a stretch to say I insulted her? Like, saying someone is being propagandized doesn't seem like an outright insult. They are on the receiving end of a bunch of biased media.
This isn't a matter of who was wronged, it's a matter of getting them to listen.
Racist friends.
Ask them if them what they think about black crime statistics.
That is giving them too much credit. Often the black men convicted of violent crimes are scapegoats, but at least a crime was committed. Here? Pure fabrication.
Sure but it's the best attempt at a current comparison to something they should already be against in order to illustrate the mindset they're carrying.
One that isn't current I guess is viewing black people as if they're all predisposed rapist apes. But I don't know if that's coming on a bit too strong. It does illustrate the kind of mindset they're carrying though, when they think of muslim arabs they assume they're some sort of barbaric rapist monsters and all of their analysis is coloured by the prejudice this base assumption creates.
I think if the "war between people and vermin" quote posted the other day was real (still waiting on footage from them. . .) then that is an apt comparison.
but at least a crime was committed
Just to clarify what you're saying: Not committed by them. Cops frame people all the time. Or lock people up without any kind of faked evidence even. They've recently executed people who were essentially known to be innocent.
There's an entire history of genocidal nations using the "killing babies" claim to justify their genocide. You can see woodcuttings of this claim ffs.
Ironically including blood libel, the false claim of Jews kidnapping and slaughtering children for rituals, used as a pretext for pogroms.
"Why would they lie about it?"
Because they're a fucking ethnostate that's doing genocide. Maybe that has something to do with it.
The instant I heard this one, I just immediately thought of the Iraq War testimony that somebody's relative made up to an American committee about how Iraqis were murdering babies in incubators.
Especially with no pictures...in this day and age? There's pictures of everything now archived on the net, and there's zero chance a nation as committed to online propaganda as Israel wouldn't throw them (or SOMETHING) into an article at a moment's notice if they were real. They have apps specifically designed for generating propaganda on social media.
But yeah sure, 1 soldier saying 'they killed babies' is definitely reliable testimony, we all know soldiers, and IDF soldiers especially, never lie.
I just immediately thought of the Iraq War testimony that somebody's relative made up to an American committee about how Iraqis were murdering babies in incubators.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony
Her story was initially corroborated by Amnesty International, a British-based global NGO, which published a report about the supposed killings and testimony from evacuees. Following the liberation of Kuwait, reporters were given access to the country. An ABC report found that "patients, including premature babies, did die, when many of Kuwait's nurses and doctors ... fled" but Iraqi troops "almost certainly had not stolen hospital incubators and left hundreds of Kuwaiti babies to die." Amnesty International USA reacted by issuing a correction, with executive director John Healey subsequently accusing the Bush administration of "opportunistic manipulation of the international human rights movement"...
On January 6, 1992, The New York Times published an op-ed piece by John MacArthur entitled "Remember Nayirah, Witness for Kuwait?" MacArthur discovered that Nayirah was the daughter of the Kuwaiti Ambassador to the U.S., Saud Nasir al-Sabah.
Yes, that is the one.
Babies in incubators...such shameless lies, obviously chosen because of how well it tugs on the heartstrings.
So viciously manipulative.
It's called "atrocity propaganda" and using that term you can find countless more stories.
Amnesty International USA reacted by issuing a correction, with executive director John Healey subsequently accusing the Bush administration of "opportunistic manipulation of the international human rights movement"...
How dare they opportunistically manipulate us by somehow making us fabricate witness testimony from evacuees? Surely we can all agree that the "international human rights movement" (
) is just a poor mislead smol bean.
We NEED more investigative journalism. I don't know how to decouple proper investigative journalism with the vibes-based bullshit the West pumps out, but this is entirely unsustainable.
Almost every journalist that has enough resources to travel work for corporate or state media. It’s unlikely that any “independent” Israeli journalist can be trusted
It won't investigate its claim...
Propagandist army pinkie swears that their non-investigation into their use of clear use of propaganda didn't discover any actual propaganda.
Testimony alone is not good enough.
Eye witness accounts are very often fabricated, especially in a fucking war.
Evidence, evidence, evidence is needed. If people refuse too present evidence, none exists.
Eye witness accounts are very often fabricated, especially in a fucking war. Evidence, evidence, evidence is needed. If people refuse too present evidence, none exists.
Too bad, that's the basis of most journalism nowadays, let alone hearsay, when a person says they heard someone say that they someone and blah blah blah...
The media hasn’t even received any leaks either. Surely if this happened, an outraged official or soldier will leak pictures to show the evils of Hamas. But no, just accept the vibes.
Does anyone had a list of all the times the IDF had lied about shit like this? Like when they shelled the UN building in Gaza back in 2009 because it was apparently full of combatants that was easily disproven
Or when they shelled the building where Al-Jazira journalists were stationed because it was supposedly harboring terrorists.
To be fair, according to Israel anyone who disagrees with them is a terrorist and according to the ADL anyone who criticizes Israel is anti-semitic. Puts Jewish and Israeli leftists in a weird space to be sure.
Yeah I have an IRL leftist Jewish friend and he’s really not doing well right now.
It wasn’t just Al-Jamie’s, it was the entire internet infrastructure for the strip
reports coming in that Palestinians have gained possession of the Loc-Nar and plan to annihilate the universe
source: this was revealed to me in a dream
IDF won't back up its claim that they didn't assassinate Shireen Abu Akleh either. Wonder why.
