Unironically this is what happens when a MFer doesn’t embrace dialectical materialism. He got 90% of the way there - our society sucks and 99% of people live in abject misery, and then instead of having a fucking class analysis or some kind of conflict theory he’s like “hehe Ted explode people until they want to live in the forest :galaxy-brain: ”
You can’t revert society to its former state Ted you moron, you absolute buffoon. There’s too much accumulated labour. It can just move to higher and higher forms. Don’t return to monke, push for socialism!
The unabomber; not actually a comrade, folks. I love the part where he tries to disambiguate bad technology from innocent, communal technology, which is actually good.
Extremely incisive analysis there, real sensible categories and not just entirely arbitrary choice of stuff he liked and didn't like :agony-immense:
bad technology
communal technology, which is actually good.
"Extremely incisive analysis there, real sensible categories and not just entirely arbitrary choice of stuff he liked and didn’t like"
bad technology exists tho. the internet for example. anything that lets me spread my views to the general public is probably bad
the left needs to shut up about feminism and gay rights
>No google search results found for "trans rights are proletariat rights" 🤔
ted, instead of being angry at capitalism as a whole, was angered by the vague concept of 'technology'
Well he was a weird antisocial nerd who was fucked in the head by CIA adjacent psychological experiments and the nasty competitive world of ivy league universities in a young age, so he ended up hating everything to do with these things. Basically he needed support and instead he got CIA and ruthless competition. But he was zmard and smarm people don't need support, you can just drop them in an ivy league university and forget about them, right?
it doesnt matter who he bombed. what matters is hwat the bombs achieve. you could nuke every city and if it makes communism happen one second sooner it is worth it
Ok. Do we have any reason to suspect that it did anything to hasten communism?
If not, I think it's ok to be against wanton random murder
killing innocents and writing wack manifestos
:unity:
Ted ... DornerThey're both bad, folks.
He killed the daughter of a cop and her fiance exclusively because she was related to a cop. That's bad.
Well he's definitely right in one regard - anprims are not leftists
issuing correction on a previous post of mine, regarding ted. you do not, under any circumstances, "gotta hand it to him”
Sometimes when I'm hiking in the Rockies I think about how ADX Florence, where he's incarcerated, is hell in paradise. This is your world when this is the area outside. I can't imagine being so close to such a beautiful area as an primitivist, locked in a concrete box where you have a tiny window to look into a concrete courtyard. There's something Sisyphean about that which always makes me sympathetic to Ted the inmate and Ted the deeply traumatised victim of MK Ultra. I want to write him about the the hikes outside his cell in the same way that I want to take shelter dogs hiking. But then I remember that he's ideologically like a late-stage ecofascist and writing terrorists letters of any kind probably flags you for every alphabet agency up to and including the USDA.
Like hippies, the right-primitivists are like three books away from getting "it" but reject any book that's not self-help validation. Marx equates bees to architects within the same economic and social value system and the radical environmentalists/animal rights activists all fall into the left. When I was 12 and my first real identification with a proletarianised group was animals, that was just a basic observation without having ever read theory. He was a Harvard mathematician who was in his 20s in the 1960s and had good reason to hate the CIA. I don't get how he went down the path of big-dumb when he cares enough about the subjects socialists critique to do a terrorism and lived in the era that created modern environmentalism.
I read his manifesto and it looks like a smart person who turned insane
fucking cia man
Having no materialist politics can often cause these results, but for Ted's case there were other reasons that led to very faulty reasoning. Not examining the historical context is one, not looking closely at causal effects or just associating different ills to idpol reasons rather than capitalists destroying communist and socialists in organized labor the most leaving "idpol leftists doing too much feminism and antiracism" type stuff to exist as capitalism continues, and frankly just his own bigotry and biases and ideology.
You know about the quality of what's rattling around that big psycho brain by how often the sewage is cut and pasted on Stupidpol.
It can just move to higher and higher forms.
I don't think that's true.
Unless an asteroid comes and wipes out half the planet tomorrow, yeah. Over time maybe. If we collectively decide to stop fixing things and making things, but as we stand, we've engineered an environment that demands our constant labor. Either we take that environment back into the collective and have democratic control over how to manage it and either expand it or neglect it, or the capitalists maintain control over it and use it to crush us underfoot to build them more stuff.
The common ruin of the contending classes is always an option.
I don't think that's what Marx meant when he wrote that. There are tons of situations where the conflict between proletarians and bourgeoisie could end up destroying the human race without and outside force like an asteroid doing us in.
The asteroid was just an example lol, I was basically using that as a situation where everything falls apart due to a complete failure of the existing products of our labor. Climate change has a huge possiblity of just wiping out the built environment and setting us back to square 1.
Nuclear warfare, pandemic, anything that we fail to organize against really. Even then, the world still exists. The knowledge we have still exists in some form. Whatever comes next will be built on what came before. Especially because the waste products we've created have half lives in the tens of thousands of years and the structures we've built will persist for at least centuries in some form.
