I'm scared.

  • Infamousblt [any]
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    4 years ago

    Well sure they can NOW. There's no chance of it getting done NOW so they can talk about it all they want. But soon as it looks possible again you better believe they'll get back to hand wringing

  • HamManBad [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    If the pressure for broader change is there, they could cave on M4A to stop it. It would give them massive support for a generation, honestly wouldn't be surprised if they go for it IF they are fearful of a mass movement

  • cilantrofellow [any]
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    4 years ago

    The farther from possibility it is the more likely liberals will be favorable of it.

  • krothotkin [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    This makes me nervous as fuck for reasons I can't really describe

    • pepe_silvia96 [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      I think I know why.

      trump was an anomaly that many of us enjoyed because he violently removed the ideological niceties of liberalism. he gave us hope that we are a system on the verge of collapse.

      the reality is, if the american ruling class gave just one tiny shit, they could easily keep this brutal system up and running for centuries. it would cost them hardly a thing to keep us happy with common sense reform like m4a.

      that's how fucking irrelevant marxism is in america.

      • ferristriangle [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        I don't think this is necessarily true.

        The American economy is propped up by the unequal exchange of imperialism. The small luxuries that are within our grasp are only possible because of a global economic imbalance where an average hour of work in the US can buy the equivalent of 2.4 hours of labor from someone in the global south, assuming equally productive labor hours.

        So even though necessities like housing, education, healthcare and the like keep getting priced further and further out of reach to make sure we're all subservient to capital to have our needs met, we still get cheap TVs and iPhones and such.

        Which, may seem trivial, but these are markers of the American way of life. You have ghouls on Fox News who will say, "sure, I had to climb over a bunch of homeless people in the street on my way to the office today, but one of them had an iPhone which means you're better off being poor here than you are in one of those dirty socialist countries."

        But the unequal exchange that is founded on is only able to be maintained by the virtue of the American military empire. It's maintained by having the ability to project power around the world, to invade, sanction, blockade, bomb, coup, and otherwise crush any government that doesn't comply with the interests of US business. And I don't know how much longer the US can wield that power.

        We're currently collapsing under the weight of funding this military empire. We've already cut the social safety net down to the bone to put more money toward the military, and there's not much else that can be squeezed. And in the meantime, the rise of China as an economic power has resulted in a lot outsourcing and capital flight from the US. Any attempt to roll back the tax cuts and squeeze the capitalist class to juice our military is likely to result in even more capital flight.

        The ability of the Treasury to keep printing money and having that money still be valuable is tied to the status of the USD as the global reserve currency that nearly all global trade is conducted in, but it's dangerously close to losing its status as a reserve currency.

        Maybe I'm just not creative and ghoulish enough, but I don't see how this charade can be kept up much longer. I think the gross mishandling of COVID is going to tip this country over the edge, and the economic aftershocks are going to send America into an unrecoverable depression.

        What comes after that, I have no idea.

          • ferristriangle [he/him]
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            4 years ago

            That's certainly a terrifying prospect, but I don't even know what strategic value nuclear war would have. Does America just throw a hissy fit and say "if I can't stay the undisputed world superpower then I'm taking you all down with me!"?

            I mean, maybe. Who knows what would happen if we get an even more openly fascist government in power.

            • TeethOrCoat [none/use name]
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              4 years ago

              For me, it's more a situation of the nuclear kulaks, not necessarily a nuclear war, where they burn (nuke) their own fields (country) to prevent the socialists from getting it.

            • machiavellianRecluse [none/use name]
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              4 years ago

              yeah I agree it is kinda alarmist. Nuclear war doesn't make much sense. I am thinking if the empire starts crumbling we might get some evangelical loon governor who feels like bringing about the apocalypse. Probably not very likely (but then again it seems we have been very close to it during the cold war).

              • ferristriangle [he/him]
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                4 years ago

                I mean, I wouldn't rule it out. It's not like this is a wholly rational system we're dealing with.

  • pepe_silvia96 [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    is half of chapo gonna join r/neoliberal in the coming years? let's find out

    • S4ck [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      Come on now, we're all libs. The point is just that maybe JUST maybe we're reaching a threshold where M4A can become a reality and materially improve people's lives at least just a little bit.

  • jilgangga [doe/deer]
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    4 years ago

    Mayo Pete said “Medicare for All is a centrist position” in early 2019. And of course he’s been fighting for that and even a national health service valiantly ever since. :pete:

    • ElGosso [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      He's correct - the left wing position is putting the "execute" into "health insurance executive" :gui-better: in Minecraft of course

  • fillet [he/him,any]
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    4 years ago

    We just need to make M4A a way of owning/competing with China. Ez bb

  • Gay_Wrath [fae/faer]
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    4 years ago

    they'll start picking holes in it if there's ever a chance it will pass. This is just for clicks and shares because it's popular.