• bark [none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    White Phosphorus won't be in the game.

    https://www.polygon.com/2021/2/15/22279600/six-days-in-fallujah-interview-iraq-war-politics

    The U.S. military has said that it used “shake-and-bake” tactics, a combination of high explosive and white phosphorus rounds that flushed out insurgents from their hardened bunkers in order to destroy them. But using white phosphorus as a weapon, and in close proximity to civilians, would seem to contravene the accepted laws of war. Again, Tamte isn’t interested in litigating what constitutes a war crime.

    “There are things that divide us, and including those really divisive things, I think, distracts people from the human stories that we can all identify with,” Tamte said. “I have two concerns with including phosphorus as a weapon. Number one is that it’s not a part of the stories that these guys told us, so I don’t have an authentic, factual basis on which to tell that. That’s most important. Number two is, I don’t want sensational types of things to distract from the parts of that experience.”

    Just pure troop worshipping propaganda.

    They even capitalize soldier in the game description on Steam.

    • CarlTheRedditor [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Number one is that it’s not a part of the stories that these guys told us, so I don’t have an authentic, factual basis on which to tell that. That’s most important.

      Yeah, no, this guy knows what he is doing; this apolitical bullshit is just a ruse.

  • invalidusernamelol [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Fuck you. At least own it like Spec Ops did. Don't try and pretend your game isn't political

    • hexaflexagonbear [he/him]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      Children in Fallujah are being born with birth defects at a much higher rate, and this will continue in the foreseeable future. It's actually disgusting to depoliticize this.

      • invalidusernamelol [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        It's impossible to depoliticize. Saying this just means that the game will carry water for American empire.

  • MasterCombine [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Choosing not to make a statement is in itself a political statement, especially when the subject matter is a blatantly illegal war in which American forces invaded a country under false pretext and murdered millions of innocent people.

    • hexaflexagonbear [he/him]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      Also the Americans committed war crimes in the particular battle portrayed in the game, which the developers are choosing to ignore.

    • Kumikommunism [they/them]
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      4 years ago

      *millions of innocent people.

      If you start a war for personal gain, you are responsible for all deaths that occur

  • SexMachineStalin [comrade/them]
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    4 years ago

    we should all katyusha-bomb the report button for this game's steam page. also the reviews. the red thumbs down will march with the fury a hundred times greater than stalingrad

    • LeninWalksTheWorld [any]
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      4 years ago

      This is a good idea devs are at the mercy of that "mostly positive" tag on steam

    • garbology [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Steam says* they have tools to detect and neutralize review bombing.
      *could be bluffing

  • D61 [any]
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    4 years ago

    The only way this game works for me is if you aren't allowed to play as the US. Its either the "insurgents" or the civilians trying not to get vaporized by the Marines.

    • bark [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      https://www.polygon.com/2021/2/15/22279600/six-days-in-fallujah-interview-iraq-war-politics

      Working with an American journalist in Iraq — whose name is being withheld for their safety, according to Tamte — developer Highwire Games has interviewed dozens of civilians who lived through the fighting. Their stories will give the game its parallel storyline where players will take on the role of a father trying to lead his family to safety. That family’s story will overlap with U.S. forces in the game.

      “This is as an unarmed Iraqi civilian,” Tamte stressed. “We do not at any point ask the player to become an insurgent, to be clear about that. This is an Iraqi civilian who was trying to get his family out of the city during the battle.”

      (In an FAQ on the game’s website, Victura notes that players will “never play as an insurgent during the single-player campaign, or in a multiplayer recreation of an actual event.”)

      So no playing as an insurgent and I would be that the civilians end up rescued by Americans.

      • LeninWalksTheWorld [any]
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        4 years ago

        This mindset is why America will never win a war again. They cannot understand the cycle of insurgency-counterinsurgentcy because they completely refuse to understand the motivations of the insurgent, aka: "fuck off yankee you killed my brother and my mother in a drone strike." They cannot understand why someone would be sympathetic to the Iraqi freedom fighters (preferred term), because they truly believe America brings only goodness and justice to the world with it's "humanitarian interventions." So we will just bomb countries until there is nothing left, declare victory over the rubble, then leave and let the country pick up the pieces. The whole time Lockheed laughs to the bank. Imperialism, it's the highest stage of capitalism folks.:amerikkka:

        • AllCatsAreBeautiful [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          I really like the phrase "Declare victory over the rubble." That's a good one. Really got some punch to it.

        • Mrtryfe [none/use name]
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          4 years ago

          This mindset can also be applied to inner city crime, specifically the generational aspect of it. It isn't about drug corners and making money anymore in a city like Chicago anymore. It's about what some kids a couple of blocks down did to some kid in your set as far back as 15-20 years ago. Of course, you go back far enough, and you really start to get to the bottom of why these things occur. In this same way, libs and righties alike don't have a scope that goes back further than something like 9/11. It's the same with Pearl Harbor - there is nothing about how US firms sponsored the rise of the 3rd Reich.

          I was on the garbage ResetEra forum earlier, reading the thread on this, and there was some user attempting to impose a statute of limitations on war crimes essentially. It's been 15 years they say, when does the incident stop being untouchable for capital to swallow and spit out under the auspices of the US war machine? Never mind that the fallout of Fallujah still continues to this day. No, what we need is gamers to boot up a "not political" simulation and LARP out their fantasies of going door to door and being saviors of a people they've probably never interacted with in their entire life.

          • LeninWalksTheWorld [any]
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            4 years ago

            well the main activities of the occupying US military are to sit around cities and oil wells and chuck bombs into the countryside while slowly bleeding from IEDs attacks. It's hardly "glorious combat", it's basically just trucks getting or not getting blown up.

  • Audeamus [any]
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    4 years ago

    "All art is propaganda." - George Orwell. Not debatable.

    This particular art is propaganda for bloody empire. Propaganda against it is based and good.

  • WhatDoYouMeanPodcast [comrade/them]
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    4 years ago

    https://youtu.be/FtCV421T52s

    This thread reminds me of a YouTube video. I think it was this one. Basically, COD people have been saying their games are apolitical for a while now. Their actual beliefs boil down to, "War creates tough choices and only 'the good guys ™️' are capable of handling those choices and the choices they make are, by definition, good."

    • FunnyUsername [she/her]
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      4 years ago

      I've seen some videos from this guy before and you can tell he's not very smart just from the way he speaks

      • maccruiskeen [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        I would probably think I were a genius if I could make low effort reactionary garbage out of my bedroom for a living

  • Torenico [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    I will teamkill my platoon mates in this game, I must save the Iraqi citizens.