• DeepPoliSci [none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    JFK was assassinated by the CIA for beginning to negotiate the end of the Cold War. Communists don't appreciate the degree to which his politics differed from other American presidents in the imperial era (1896-).

    He cooperated with the Soviet Union, the UN, and Patrice Lumumba to protect the democratic experiment in the Congo against the interests of the American deep state. Patrice Lumumba and Dag Hammarskjöld (head of the UN) were both assassinated by the CIA over this experiment.

    He negotiated the first nuclear arms treaty with Soviet Union four months before his murder.

    One month before his murder, he ordered the reduction of troops in Vietnam. His meetings with Vietnamese officials over the next month indicated plans for a full withdrawal of troops from Vietnam [1] Officials close to JFK said that he wanted to negotiate an end of the Cold War following his re-election, but he was worried about running on it because the anti-communist hysteria in the country.

    Following his murder by the CIA, Johnson reversed the steps JFK had taken to withdraw from the war. Eight months into his presidency, Johnson carried water for the Gulf of Tonkin lie which set in motion a decade of genocide in Vietnam.

    JFK was the only president who took progressive action that was further ahead of the masses. In the following years, the masses would rise up against the Vietnam War, but it fell on the deaf ears of Johnson and Nixon. FDR and Lincoln get way too much credit for playing mediator between the bourgeoisie and the masses.

    • BeanBoy [she/her]
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      4 years ago

      JFK was hostile to Cuba, though, right? Was that only early in his term and he had softened towards Castro later on?

      • DeepPoliSci [none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        JFK was always anti-Castro.

        The Bay of Pigs invasion was a massive embarrassment to the JFK administration. He fired Allen Dulles over it, but JFK continued to shift blame towards Castro. Also, JFK used Castro as the scapegoat for the Cuban Missile Crisis.

        Although, JFK was continuing talks with Krushchev, and with Castro through a French journalist, Jean Daniel. Krushchev & Castro expected JFK to begin reconciliation with Cuba following the election. Here's a few articles including quotes from Jean Danial [1] [2]

        JFK was an anti-communist Liberal. However, he recognized the damage of US imperialism & was interested in negotiating peace with the communist international movement.

      • DeepPoliSci [none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        Michael Judge's podcast, Death is just arounding the Corner, includes a great series on the JFK Assassination which introduced me to the topic.

        I'd also recommend reading Peter Dale Scott. He is the foundational researcher of American deep politics. Deep Politics and the Death of JFK is a great book.

  • snackage [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    The man responsible for a million iraqi deaths should be in garbage tier. Other than that good list.

  • Poop [none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    I think satan occupied many more in human form, otherwise good list

  • DetroitLolcat [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    GW Bush needs to be in the Satan in human form tier. I think I'd put both him and Woodrow Wilson below Reagan, and that's saying something.

    • AeroTheAcroBat [any]
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      4 years ago

      Harrison. Shortest serving president. Died of pneumonia like 30 days into his presidency.

          • DasKarlBarx [he/him,comrade/them]
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            4 years ago

            When Harrison came to Washington, he wanted to show that he was still the steadfast hero of Tippecanoe and that he was a better educated and more thoughtful man than the backwoods caricature portrayed in the campaign. He took the oath of office on Thursday, March 4, 1841, a cold and wet day.[102] He braved the cold weather and chose not to wear an overcoat or a hat, rode on horseback to the ceremony rather than in the closed carriage that had been offered him, and delivered the longest inaugural address in American history[102] at 8,445 words. It took him nearly two hours to read, although his friend and fellow Whig Daniel Webster had edited it for length. He rode through the streets in the inaugural parade

            Lol

            • duck [he/him,they/them]
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              4 years ago

              Nearly choked on my toothbrush, what a nerd

              they diagnosed him with right lower lobe pneumonia, and placed heated suction cups on his bare body and administered a series of bloodlettings to draw out the disease. Those procedures failed to bring about improvement, so the doctors treated him with ipecac, castor oil, calomel, mustard plasters, and finally with a boiled mixture of crude petroleum and Virginia snakeroot. All this only weakened Harrison further and the doctors came to the conclusion that he would not recover.

              1841 medicine hits different

              • Judge_Juche [she/her]
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                4 years ago

                WTF, we fed him all this dope stuff and he's shidding, punking and bleeding all at the same time, but he's still not getting better. Must just be a pussy.

      • asaharyev [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Yep. His presidency was the best presidency....but he fucking sucked and led US forces against the Indigenous populations as a genocidal imperialist before he assumed the presidency.

  • RedArmor [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Lincoln wanted to send the slaves back to Africa and wish he could Jew keep the union together without destroying the institution of slavery.

    Needs to have an “owned slaves” tier list too.

  • shitstorm [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    I don't wanna sound like a lib here, but Nixon deserves to be on the bottom tier as well. Made Kissinger blush with how he talked about throwing bombs around... also hired Kissinger. Actually W. Bush deserves to be on the bottom... fuck it they all should be there.

  • kleeon [he/him, he/him]
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    4 years ago

    lol I also did a tier list recently but decided not to post it

    https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/FWPpw5gKko.png

  • jack [he/him, comrade/them]
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    4 years ago

    Grant's tier should switch with the one above him, Carter belongs in the big group. John Adams could probably get a tier just above cringe ass imperialists.

    Edit: actually Teddy should be in the big group too. One of the most imperialist of all presidents. So JFK, Adams, Grant, and Lincoln really should all get a tier together of problematic faves, WHH stays where he is, and Teddy and Carter move to SCAI

    Edit 2: if your tiers are supposed to be internally ranked then SCAI needs a lot of work, but who cares

  • BillyMays [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    More than half of the stupid cringe ass imperialists actually belong in the Satan in human form category.