It'll be amazing to see the great firewall be brought down and have the internet be flooded with Chinese accounts countering the barrage of western propaganda, only for America to respond with putting up their own great firewall because of "foreign interference."
nah, the firewall helps China
the firewall makes it so that the average Chinese person doesn't experience the stress and the associated timesink of having to debate with a peabrained white supremacist about literally every single basic fact ever
I honestly think this is the main reason for the firewall. It's just ignoring the idiots, except the Chinese government goes one step further by preventing you from knowing that the idiots even exist in the first place, so that your time is spent more constructively
It also helps them develop their own sovereign Internet ecosystem. They have their own search engines, e-mail providers, social networks, video sites, that can develop at their own pace without being trampled by giants from Silicon Valley and being subject to their algorithms like in the rest of the world.
Believing China doesn't have a capitalist-driven Shenzhen and doesn't have a robust, sophisticated set of their own algorithms to contain and deliver social media is bewildering to me.
Well the person you were replying to doesn’t believe that, the fact that they have their own and don’t have to defer to Google was in fact the point.
If the 100 million CPC members number is accurate, then I don't think they'd have a hard time just destroying ever self-professed white supremacist (or nationalist or whatever). Not to mention what the billion+ other Chinese will do.
nah, whites speak english, have more leisure time, and still have more money. censoring their bs is still the most effective solution
White people and complaining minorities existing ruins things. Name a more iconic duo.
Can you please put that in writing so I can show the white hiring manager next time I go job hunting? Keen to experience some of that majority privilege!
this is dope, also every single one of these people has better living conditions than me
Not gonna lie, most of them weren't very organic. And I think this kind of propaganda only makes outsiders even more sceptical.
If you already have a narrative where people are being alledgedly genocided, It's not a big step to think they were forced to do this as well.
Most of them are semi professionally produced, some even with a script and set. That's just not a good look.
Best would still be if the eu accepted an invite for observation or something. But that would obviously be biased too.
I'll just accept I will not know for certain what really goes on. But I don't trust the US state department one bit.
Best would still be if the eu accepted an invite for observation or something. But that would obviously be biased too.
Not to go off at you specifically, but everything I see this train of thought my brain parses it as "I don't trust it unless it can be corroborated by white people."
I don't see why France's take on the situation is any more valid than the takes of dozens of Islamic countries who have already come out in support of the Chinese deradicalization program.
Not to go off at you specifically, but everything I see this train of thought my brain parses it as “I don’t trust it unless it can be corroborated by white people.”
Send in inspectors from Sri Lanka, the Republic of Vanuatu, San Marino, Bhutan, Guyana, Angola and Togo
I will not explain why I picked the countries I did
Islamic countries already made peace with israel for money, leaving Palestinians out in the cold.
Lots of those Islamic countries have loans from China.
I don't take the french governments take at face value but forgive me if i don't take UAE's or Bahrain's either where "the wrong kind of muslims" are used as literal slaves.
I didn't even try to imply anyone is "loan trapped" by China. I simply said they have loans from them.
It's because I live in the EU. Not because I like white people so much. The EU is obviously politically relevant to me.
The fact that China has asked the EU to come look for themselves and the EU has declined to do so really ought to tell you enough
But as a European leftist you must be able to think of many times European leaders have lied through their teeth about leftist movements, causes, and ideas?
Why would it be any different this time?
But where does that actually leave us? "All information is unreliable, but the information from people who have directly lied to me in the past is less unreliable"?
Why is a European neoliberal goon any more reliable than any one else?
No. I ended with, I can't know for sure but I don't trust the narrative. That's literally what I said in my first comment.
But I also don't want to end up as the person that would say 'Wir haben es nicht gewußt'. My family suffered in the holocaust. How could I take these accusations lightly? All due respect.
Chinese people don't know or care about the propaganda being told about them : "They're not saying anything because they're afraid of speaking out, it's suspicious"
Chinese people know and respond to questions by saying it's not true : "They're lying because they're afraid of speaking out, it's suspicious"
Chinese media talks about the topic : "Of course the chinese state media would say that, I want to see real people say it"
Chinese people film themselves talking about this very serious and disgusting propaganda : "I mean they have... cameras, and they're reading statements they wrote before, that's not
poororganic enough"Chinese people literally go on a meme spree making parodies of BBC documentaries because of how obvious the propaganda is.
Chinese vloggers go visit the region, ask people, film : "State funded, biased, lying."
Foreign vloggers go visit the region, ask people, film : "Chinese asset, would never be allowed to do this if they were critical, lying."
China invites other countries to visit, the ones that accept say it's all good : "They're lying because they don't want to lose china as a trade partner/they're afraid"
China invites the countries that are the most critical and they refuse to come.
China invites countries through the UN and the most critical countries bully the others into not visiting because that would be "accepting genocide".
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I'm sorry this isn't a dig at you specifically and I kinda see your point, i'm not mad at you but at this topic in general, It's really starting to sound like nothing will ever be good enough.
if you link the video with timestamp I'll try to check it, I didn't see this said in the first video
love to call chinese people who post CPC positive content loyal social media footsoldiers.
Yeah. Party/state loyalists... who spread party/state media... on social media.
It's not magically more true or better just because you don't say wumao out loud.
wumao
I've only heard that as an insult, but what does it actually mean?
Basically it means like "50 cent" or something and its an accusation that China has like warehouses of people that are paid 50 cents per post to defend the CPC, liberals love to throw it out against anyone and everyone.
Ah yeah, I just googled it. But they certainly exist. I mean, the US, Russia, Israel, India... they all have very robust propaganda networks all over social media, China's definitely got their feet in the pool as well.
What do you want them to do lol, it’s not like they haven’t invited people to come see what’s happening in Xinjiang for themselves.
That's what I wanna do. I wanna go to Xinjiang (and so many other places in China!)
disseminated by our loyal social media foot soldiers.
Getting called this by Western Leftists and "50 Centers" by the Chuds is the true centrism.
Disgusting fucking comment. I'm sorry, what the hell?
Imagine recording yourself with a little statement you prepared before because you've been made aware of the disgusting and dangerous propaganda that's being said about you and your region, and someone who's supposed to be your fucking "ally" in the west shits a comment calling you a "social media foot soldier".
"Professionally cut films", i'm sorry, I guess those videos aren't poor enough, are they supposed to be recorded on an old camcorder with parenti-level audio and a shaky-cam effect for them to be "authentic"?
Did you not notice recently the meme-spree a lot of chinese social media went on about the BBC, making BBC joke videos, parodies, etc.. in response to the shitty propaganda the BBC was putting out? So the whole social media thing people participated in was all a fucking chinese state op then, is fucking everything a chinese state op?
How do people not realize the auto-justification of this "chinese state is a terrifying totalitarian entity that can control and do literally everything" narrative? You can literally show chinese people say or do anything and it will be interpreted as the fucking chinese state somehow being behind it.
Nothing that can be said or shown will ever be good enough, it doesn't matter how, when and by who, it's a lie, they're lying, it's the chinese state, people are afraid of speaking out. It doesn't matter that this playlist of videos is literally just different youtube accounts, none of them are recorded in the same way or with the same hardware, they don't have a common "script", and they all seem to be in response to specific statements by pompeo and even have an accompanying hashtag that normal social media users would interact with and make videos about, you know like in US or everywhere else.
It's fucking tiring.
