Bisexual women can be assholes too, it happens. That doesn't mean oNlY cLaSs mAtTeRs.
This event has nothing to do with her being bisexual. She show boats as she defends capital. Fuck her. I'm not less upset with her being a rotten politician because she likes women. How can this be anything besides a class issue if that's the only variable in the situation? There's no identity one can have that makes that action endearing.
She gave a blatant thumbs down on camera and shit all over working class women everywhere. It's the thumbs down that brought the attention. This is a terrible take.
https://hexbear.net/search/q/manchin/type/all/sort/topall/page/1
Everyone knows Manchin is a moderate piece of garbage but people thought Sinema was a progressive that is why she is getting all the hate. It would happen if Bernie or Aoc did something blatantly against the working class. Same reason we point out Dems sucking more than we criticize the Republicans they are supposed to be on our side.
Yes I agree but compared to an old white man like Manchin people were excited to have a bisexual woman who appeared like a progressive ally to the general public at face value.
Class isn't the only thing that matters, but it's the only tool powerful enough to build a movement from. The trick is helping people understand that whatever their identity may be, they are a worker too.
Class is powerful and has the potential to unite the many against the few. In my view working class politics naturally leads to intersectionality. Overcoming sexism, homophobia, racism etc. actively builds working class solidarity and contributes to the liberation of the proletariat.
Of course bourgeois arsewipes like Sinema benefit from bi liberation, women's liberation etc. but that doesn't mean the fight is not worth fighting. Ultimately all the bourgeoisie gains is the ability to elevate a bisexual female ghoul rather than a male straight one but on the other hand they lose an effective tool to divide and distract workers.
Historical revolutionaries have embraced the intersection between class and other forms of oppression, the bolsheviks predicted the vanguard of the American working class to naturally be the black working class who are more easily radicalized by their intersecting oppressions.
it’s the only tool powerful enough to build a movement from
Seems to be a pretty idealistic, non materialist, take.
Edit: Stonewall was a riot, non PIV fucking around seemed to have been a threat to reactionary capitalism, makes you think
Lol marx didn’t wrote about the workers because they were more virtuous than the bourgeoisie, he saw their potential for grinding the capitalist machinery to a halt
Marx did write nowhere "Only workers are able to create working movements!". However you are right that if you are talking about the real existing movement, though drawing from that theoretical tidbit the claim that was made and uplifted against being intersectional and that is based into "tricking people into acknowledging their false class conscious to see themselves as workers" is a stretch.
How is that idealist? Are you gonna argue that a workers movement isn't gonna work? Should I break out a history book for you?
It isn't materialistic cause it isn't based on historical materialism or Marxism. The claim that only class is able to create a working movement is false. Look at the peasants, look at the Nazis. Even the claim that only the working class is able to create a working movement within capitalism is false.
Why is it false? Cause capitalists, nationalists and racists are also able to create working movements and - unless you reduce your meaning of class - you ought to accept reality.
Does this mean that other movements are able to create a real existing movement which overthrow capitalism but the working class as its foundation? No, it doesn't.
It isn't materialistic cause it is a claim that is connected to little, it has a lot of weak points going for it and no historic underpinning. If you think it does, you ought to read more theory and be actually involved in practice as well (to get the theory you read).
I have no problem working together with people who have ideas like that of OP, but I have a problem working with people who have those ideas which aren't quite the orthodox Marxist view or might even be wrong revisionist readings of Marx, if they try to get hegemony by reducing the plurality of view points which actually increases the strength of the potential movement.
We have centuries in which we see that class reductionist movements have a lot of problems and are more often than not failing. Luckily who I asked whether they are sure of their thought isn't that kind of class reductionist.
Wow that was a lot of writing that said basically nothing.
If you are not able to parse that, that is on you. If you think it says nothing you might want to read more.
Please read Marx. You have a very bad u nderstanding of communism, capitalism, what a working class movement is etc e tc.
Please read Marx. You have a very bad u nderstanding of communism, capitalism, what a working class movement is etc e tc.
What is your foundation of Marxism? Please be specific in two things:
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What is a specific example where you can link to a Marxist classical text that diverges from what I write and tell how it diverges.
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Show me a classical Marxist text that only "class is able to generate a working movement"
You cant.
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Nope dude, not shown.
Did you know that there were feminist movements? Did you know they were more successful if they included class, but less successful if they involved only class and no gender/gender/antisexist roles?
good soundbite. Class is not a tool, and liberation is a buzzword.
acting like straight-white-maleism is the enemy isn’t going to endear you or your ideas to said crackers.
Only making enemies with the second largest voting block in the country. What could go wrong 🤷
Plus just the fact that acting like an entire group all has the same beliefs and ideals is kinda....fucked up? I have a hundred times more things in common with the POC workers who live next door to me than I ever would to a rich white business owner or politician. This isn't a unique situation either.
What about black business owners? Surely they can go fuck themselves to?
it sure is a hell of a lot more important than someone’s gender or race in predicting their ideology and actions
"In the second study, reported in Chapter 4, we learn that Black Americans’ policy preferences—what they tell survey researchers they want the government to do in terms of spending—are also less frequently satisfied than those of any other group, though no group’s preferences win out consistently. In both these studies, Hajnal demonstrates that the win-lose gap between Black and white people is larger than the same gap between class groups, genders, ages, or religions—that race is the strongest dividing line in American politics"
rich white feminists with shit takes and it’s not because they’re white
Britain is TERF island because they're neocolonialist white supremacists.
Libs: blBut she eats puss! If you don't support her you are literally my dad telling me to cut my hair.
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For all the "I dislike class reductionism BUT" people, its so easy to stop telling on yourselves when you decide to sneak in some proxy insult at minority based movements in your advocacy for class based movements.
You literally dont have to add anything to "I think class is an important connecting aspect of the lives of all people and thats the best thing to centre a movement on", its fine like that, you dont have to do a mini rant about how people love Kamala for being a minority or some other dogshit, all it does is make you look like you have something you dont quite feel safe expressing yet.
Yeah, if you have to invoke the Khive to comfortably make the scaldingly hot take of "Class is pretty important for building movements" then I'm not sure how secure you are in any beliefs.
There are reactionaries that use the language and aesthetic of leftism to cloak their own racist or anti-LGBT rhetoric, like Caleb Maupin. They are real, and they have to be called out.
To let things slide for the sake of peace and friendship when a person has clearly gone wrong, and refrain from principled argument because he is an old acquaintance, a fellow townsman, a schoolmate, a close friend, a loved one, an old colleague or old subordinate. Or to touch on the matter lightly instead of going into it thoroughly, so as to keep on good terms. The result is that both the organization and the individual are harmed. This is one type of liberalism.
who are the kinds of people who are posting this honky bullshit on reddit? "Traditional whites"?
POV (what actually happened): this person logged into their 1 day old alt account to say that class reductionism is a figment of the imagination and rightfully got their bullshit called out and removed.
Or could it be that the site only has a handful of admins that are active at different times which makes responses inconsistent? I've seen stupid idpol nonsense also left up this week, does that mean the admins are a secret brocialist cabal? No, one of the mods or admins were probably sleeping or working or something, and missed it in the report queue. I've also seen imperialist apologia left up too, but it doesn't mean the mods or admins are secret imperialists either. If you see imperialist propaganda report it, and if it doesn't get taken down and you believe it needs to be you can DM a mod or admin. Different mods are active at different times so of course it will lead to some inconsistencies, they are human after all.
I'm not defending imperialist apologia, that obviously needs to be removed from the site too, the point of this post is to explain how reactionary content in the form of both imperialist apologia and stupid idpol can be left up without the mods being some nefarious group
So “class reductionism” is necessary to be called out, but when imperialism apologia is left unchallenged, this is fine ultimately? What a bullshit radlib take, stop talking to me you clown
Why would I appeal to the loser mods who I am an active critic of? The cracker radlibs have made it very clear this is a space for them first & everyone else last, you and them can have it. Done wasting my breath, I’m done with this site.
I think most class reductionist problems with idpol is the fact that it works.
Idpol as a wedge works really well at turning people against each other. It's been working great for decades now. And it takes way more reading than most people will ever do to realize how idenity is being used as a wedge.
No see I’m bisexual too and now that a prominent bi person has sided with the owning class I have to too. I’m turning you all in to the feds
bastards
being white is whitewashed your ethnic heritage like someone who doesn't know who their father is
