The comments are what you expect. All agree that we're psychopaths who support genocide and just want authority as a goal in itself. All agree we do no leftist praxis, I guess just based on vibes. One user wrote:
let’s be honest, they should be removed from society
which is cool. One-on-one, online or in person, I'm pretty patient with people like this, but when I see a whole thread like this with hundreds of upvotes and no pushback it makes me feel tired.
lemmy.ml link in case any of you have alts and want to wade in: https://lemmy.ml/post/6930975
The democracy thread she commented in right before posting this: https://lemmy.ml/comment/5160468
they do this a lot. its disappointing to see trans users be ok with shit like this. especially considering how many chasers are in that comm. fam, you can do better, and you should demand better
it always reminds of this one time i helped a trans lady out, bought her transit to her appointment to hrt, bought the hrt, she came back to the center to hug me and said i changed her life and that what i did made things so much easier for her. some time later she realized i was a communist (i think someone made a joke about it or something), asked me if it was true (i said yes, i help people), then she yelled at me about being a tankie and ghosted the whole center. i didnt even say anything or get in an argument, she just overheard it. i cant help but mourn the idea that she could have had a good and safe space and made a lot of friends, but she ended up hurting herself due to propaganda.
yeah ive shared it here before. its always how i feel about sectarian trans people, kinda bleak. like i even excuse many lib behaviors in trans orgs because we all know how awful the outside world is to trans people. i only ever had to kick out someone once (some weird ass finnish fascist trans person that started harassing a jewish person). nobody really ever goes that far. having someone kick themselves out is just as disheartening.
my brain is a bit ptsd addled right now, sorry if im not explaining how i feel properly.
For what it's worth, I think you are communicating very clearly. It sucks how that person was so fixated on their anticommunism that it destroyed what was probably one of their better prospects at finding a supportive community.
Real nice "leftist" community they've got over there
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Edit: also this,
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they "should be physically removed" 🚁
That's a dog whistle towards Pinochet, right?
Anti-communists once again proving they'll side with fascists without a second's hesitation.
Virgin flying a helicopter to execute communists:
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Contributes to climate change
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Cringe fascist dogwhistle
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Overplayed meme
Chad pushing fascists into the cuck pit:
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Return fascist to soil
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Even Google understands the reference
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Forever funny
Credit where credit is due, Yugoslavian partisans knew what to do with a fascist.
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They are so close to realizing that the word is as meaningless as "woke"
It isn't meaningless, in the same way "woke" isn't meaningless. It is purely reactionary. A primal visceral hatred of change, of a shift in status (particularly their own), of anything that might - even superficially - undermine their own sense of supremacy.
Woke is the sentiment that causes people to reject the modern state of affairs.
Tankies are the agents of change, coming to plow up their fields of strange fruit.
Tankies are the agents of change, coming to plow up their fields of strange fruit.
BARS holy shit. I think that's my favorite line I've seen posted here all fuckin month.
For those that dont know.
spoiler
Strange fruit was a reference to black people hanging from trees.
Holy cow the anti tankies are actually just fascists who possibly could have guessed.
Anti-authoritarian is when you ban certain political persuasions from public life
Calling it a subreddit when you're not on reddit. I'm sorry, it's a terminal case of :lemmitor:#
Yeah, I got suspended from the original sub ages ago bcs I got into a heated argument at someone in the replies to an "upvote to scare the tankies" meme that was just a picture of Syngman Rhee and then banned at a later date over getting angry at someone for saying that the US should go back into Afghanistan to liberate them from the Taliban.
I also got banned from the blahaj version recently for saying something along the lines of "ngl, it's sus af that you're accusing someone of being a tankie for posting an anti-fascist, anti US government meme" in reply to a comment that said "kick tankies out of 196" in the comments to that meme about the US hiring Nazi officials
i just wish blahaj banned 196 so we could all have a nice established trans specific server to be on without being harassed by chasers
. i hate how the queer community is so fragmented on the fediverseyeah but maybe a specific one? but that still doesnt solve the problem of not being able to communicate with users that have instances that are defed with each other.
it makes me feel like just hopping off the fediverse altogether is the way to go so that we have a more controlled and safe environment. our specter will still haunt them and they will give us free ads. since the structure is doomed to fracture the queer community maybe its just best to create a new situation, idfk.
meme that was just a picture of Syngman Rhee
A Yankee sock puppet that spent more of his life speaking English instead of his mother tongue?
Ooooooo spoooooky
Same kind of fascism I'd expect to lurk in 3-no's queers. Then they wonder why I advocate for the total disfellowshipping of these consumer-queers-- if they wanna lay down with nazis, klansmen, and state dept. agents, let 'em. I won't be the one deworming and flea bathing them after their masters are done beating them like government mules.
Someone who got "no blacks, no fats, no fems" at the top of whatever gay dating profile they're currently on.
That this is common enough for there to be a term for it says volumes, none of it goodThere were so many a few years back that it was genuinely easier to stop expecting anything but micro- if not macro-aggressions out of white queers and refactor my "who I talk to" accordingly. Couldn't tell you the landscape now-- it was bad enough years ago that I just threw the shit out and started moving by introduction based on folk my homies have vetted.
It is hard to kick their own ass. And the guy who started this blahaj freefall is clearly a fed cryptonazi.
Kinda weird that they hate “red fash” more than regular fash
They'll claim it is because there arent very many fascists in their space
Tankies, famous for getting SS and swastika tattoos, liking screwdriver and not looking like the girl on the left instead
Was going to say lol, they got those character assignments backwards
I have made myself the Chad punk girl wojak and you, the soy virgin skinhead wojak
Your move, stalinist
Fidel Castro’s son just had a standing ovation for an SS soldier a few weeks ago. Tell me again that tankies aren’t just Nazis.
And who are the originators and primary beneficiaries of the premise that international socialists and national 'socialists' are the same? Liberals try not to stand on the shoulders of Goebbels challenge (impossible)
The white children posted a butthurt meme, we shall not repost it nor reply to it
(David Attenborough voice) In the period following its birth, the Cracker enters what is known as the Childhood phase. For Crackers of the Great Lakes variety, this stage may last anywhere from 18 to 40 years. Progress is often sluggish, frequently delayed by the outside threat posed by prey - an invasive population of Tankies, native to Siberia
I read through most of that thread and christ it is tiring, I agree. Historically illiterate bastards equating China to Nazi Germany left and right with only a couple voices of reason.
Their idea of MLs is completely incoherent. What, do I want to be a dictator? I am actively averse to personally having authority, that shit is too much of a hassle, I get a headache just imagining it for the sake of counterargument.
So what do I actually want? Since these people seem to think being ML is just pure "authoritarianism" with no true beliefs of any kind.
I want people to be fed, clothed, housed, educated, and so on [in short: their needs provided for] and I want the entity doing that to defend itself from the capitalists seeking to undermine that process. It's a very simple desire and something that, for all the valid criticism you can make of the CPC, something it does, as does the DPRK.
You really described it the best, it's just tiring.
Edit: I wonder how many overt neoliberals are there chanting hand-in-hand with those so-called "anarchists"
They think you're either lying about wanting liberation for marginalized people, or that you'd entrust the task of liberation to a bunch of liars who would instead simply recreate capitalism but worse. They also believe you secretly harbor a suite of bigotries like transphobia or Islamophobia and you'd gladly endorse genocide against such groups so long as you had some vague aesthetic of socialist revolution. You're right that it's incoherent. None of what they're saying makes sense.
That's really the entire accusation. You're both brainwashed and insidious, you're dishonest, and you praise countries that are designated as "capitalism but worse somehow."
There's also a really serious element of nationalism that can't be ignored in the word "tankie." It means a westerner who is regarded as a traitor. You're praising foreign countries who are enemies of the west and that violates every other western political framework. Principled anarchists and communists get called tankies because we're the only westerners who wholly reject western hegemony.
It's always weird seeing trans people hanging out with thinly veiled fascists and chasers yet spending all their energy being mad about 'tankies.'
let’s be honest, they should be removed from society
good luck with that. there's a reason why socialist states have a military and police.
"when they came for communists, I told them exactly where they are to own those authoritarian red fash tankies"
Calling tankies fascist while I call for the cleansing of tankies
Read "The Jakarta Method" to know how it was done historically.
Also watch The Act of Killing, a fantastic documentary on the same subject (definitely CW violence though). Vincent Bevins cites it as inspiration to write The Jakarta Method. I read the book first and watched the documentary last week, and it brought me to tears.
That reminds me of the time I quit using Reddit entirely after getting into an argument under a meme that was just a picture of Syngman Rhee with the caption "Upvote to scare the tankies" and like well over a thousand upvotes. Also people saying that mass imprisonment and executions of "Stalinists" was the same as post ww2 denazification (ironically, the position of a load of 196 users I once argued with on post ww2 denazification in the ussr is that it was authoritarian Stalinism)
Reminder that anti-communism is a prerequisite of fascism
Communism is the only political ideology where for some reason it's acceptable to claim its proponents don't believe in the things they say and actually secretely believe the opposite. No one is ever "just pretending" to be a liberal, a conservative, a monarchist, a fascist, a social democrat or a libertarian, it's just communists. They never explain what one gets out of this "pretending" either.
And the worst part is these people are themselves leftists, so they have surely heard the same "you're just bitter and jealous of rich people
" bullshit from conservatives, but they turn around and repeat it at us.I sometimes peek my head into chud communities and they actually do this too, sometimes with weird funny parallels to what we get. It's why the term RINO exist. They will frequently accuse conservative figures of secretly being too liberal or too socialist. It was actually frequently mentioned by some who were critical of Trump before he got elected, he was called a New York liberal, etc. Chuds also absolutely accuse liberals of lying and actually being Marxists (don't laugh!)
Libertarians do this too, frequently accusing their own of being statists or socialists for the smallest violation of ideological purity.
Liberals and conservatives have to accuse us of lying about what we want because we often have political demands that align with theirs, especially if they're working class, and that causes cognitive dissonance. So the only mental strategy they have is to accuse us of trickery. They'll make childish analogies like saying socialists want everyone to have a pony, or they'll say our demands are so extreme there must an equal price to pay. As in, for every gain in rights for the working and poor, there must be an equal loss in rights.
That's an interesting point I hadn't considered, but I still think this is different from the ideological purity fights that are common to every ideology.
Like, when we say AOC is a liberal or whatever it's an expression of disappointment that she's not as leftist as we'd like. But we're talking about positions she holds openly, we're not claiming she secretly doesn't care about free healthcare, or that it's a smokescreen for some nefarious purpose. The conservatives fuming about RINOs and the libertarians that booed Gary Johnson for being pro drivers' licenses (lmao) are operating on a similar principle I think.
The conspiratorial "they're saying they want good things but it's a trick to gain power and become evil tyrants" brainworms are very specific to communism I think. The closest thing on our side is when we accuse the reactionary right of knowingly trying to divide the working class by blaming everything wrong with capitalism on X minority, but even then I don't think they're "faking" it, necessarily. They really are bigoted and will do bigoted things if given power. It's not a trick.
Chuds do call everyone a Marxist though, that's true
Hey what do you know, some of them can think for themselves:
@BigBlackCockroach@lemmy.world
I’m an anarchist, we don’t call anybody tankies. Tankies is a term coming from the UK i think the 80s some eastern european nation was taken over by the USSR and some Brittish came out in support of it. So they were called tankies.
These political fighting words need to be layed to rest. Communists hate me as much as anybody else but I’d rather engage on the idea level instead of ad hominem attacks and name calling.
I suspect this whole tankie thing might be a coordinated propaganda campaign geared at discrediting communists and at the same time creating tension between them and other leftits. I suspect this as this whole infighting over small differences doesn’t lead to a victory for the left but effectively disables and neutralizes it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsqE9kEsDVY
they should come to hexbear, the only anarchist instance on the lemmyverse!
even banned users are evading and participating in a community it calls reactionary and transphobic just to stick it to hexbear tankies
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That user is dronerights, talking about itself.
It was banned for transphobia.
I look forward to a week or two from now when we can just lump it in with
Ngl, dronerights was a way better wrecker than silver legion, like it caused a large struggle session on blahaj, hexbear and beehaw one after the other.
But now it's just clawing to have that level of, idk, influence again. in a way, its fall from posting grace is kind of depressing
Can't remember how long back it happened, but it goes a little something like this:
A user called Silverlegion
posted this screed in main
Hello Chapo community. We have been working in the shadows for a while to sow discord in the community. We have alienated dozens of your members. We have led innocent people to be slaughtered by your hands. We have hacked into and suicided accounts. We might even mod a comm or two. The time for cooperation is over. Our only goal is to make this community unsafe and ensure its users feel unwelcome.
We reckon you have about 2 months before this site closes for good.
Remember the three S’s: Scare, Scatter, and Sabotage.
We are Silver Legion.
Keep an eye out for us. Expect something big soon.
From then on for a while any time a user was banned, Silverlegion would post from an alt claiming they hacked the user that got banned to make them post cringe, with the claim that they were going to cause Hexbear to fight amongst themselves until no one is left.
Eventually Silverlegion claimed that they were gonna hack Hexbear and permanently take it down somehow.
On the day Silverlegion claimed Hexbear would fall, the site was closed for a while for maintenance.
Hexbear users found the whole affair hilarious and parody accounts were made to make fun of Silverlegion.
To this day it's unclear whether Silverlegion was a Hexbear that was really committed to the bit, or a wrecker with a habit of threatening way beyond their capabilities.
It's not ideologically anarchist, it's aesthetically anarchist. Which is why they latch on to a century old conflict between anarchists and Marxist leninists in Spain instead of actually applying any sort of critical rigor to their interactions with the world.
Sometimes the more well read ones'll bring up Makhnovshchina, but typically don't know much more than they fought against the Soviets in the aftermath of the revolution.
Because real, serious anarchists rarely bother with this annoying mindgame shit. (When they do it always fatally fucks them over)
undermine democracy
oh no, if that happens... then even if 80% of Americans want universal healthcare we wouldn't get it!
yeah it's a big bummer:(
