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  • TerminalEncounter [she/her]
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    4 months ago

    I don't wanna wade into that but I do remember reading some paper ages ago about the incidence of being trans among the furry community (also bronies lol). Probably unsurprisingly, it's quite high compared to the non-furry population. The author thought that perhaps being trans is considered such a bad condition that it's easier to conceive of oneself as an animal rather than as a gender other than the one you were assigned, and that eggs were trying to sublimate their gender dysphoria as a "animal dysphoria" as a way to deal with it.

    Anyway, I also knew a guy who thought he was an elf and wrote to his high school crush that she was also a secret elf and that he was prom-posing to her. I worked with him years later, he said he saw a satyr on the way to work. Caught up with him a couple years after that, he went on a long Christian missionary trip. Fascinating guy.

    I have no issues with otherkin. I ain't asking people to rank their wounds or their traumas, no point in ranking or comparing. Someone with a lot of money or parental support, like Kim Petras say, has a different trans experience than say an unhoused black trans woman - even if they have a fuckload in common in the trans experience. But I know which one I would pick for myself the same anyway

    • kristina [she/her]M
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      4 months ago

      The author thought that perhaps being trans is considered such a bad condition that it's easier to conceive of oneself as an animal rather than as a gender other than the one you were assigned, and that eggs were trying to sublimate their gender dysphoria as a "animal dysphoria" as a way to deal with it.

      I actually wanted to mention something similar to this angle but I forgot, like its some sort of trauma response. Generally it seems better to confront them / nudge them towards the idea that they need to do something about the gender dysphoria then, no? Assuming they have symptoms of course

      But fundamentally I still think this assumes otherkin/furry stuff is not gender related, but can be a thing to sort of cover yourself with

    • ashinadash [she/her]
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      4 months ago

      thonk-trans I dunno... internally denying your gender so hard that you start feeling kinship to animals instead? It seems to me like being a furry (or otherkin, or therian) is the only thing more stigmatised than being trans in this regard. Not that it couldn't happen ever, but Idk.

      • kristina [she/her]M
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        4 months ago

        I dunno, like people think furries are weird, but do they like, lose jobs, family, and stuff over it? I'm not super glued into furry discourse, just not my thing, so its an honest question

        • ashinadash [she/her]
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          4 months ago

          Uh they might if they started doing anything about it at work, or speaking about it ever? I guess most furries tend not to ever talk about it. To me it just feels like "on all levels except physical I am a wolf" is a further reach than going on /lgbt/ or something? The framing equivocating being a furry and being trans is probably wrong fwiw.

          I'm not superglued either so I'm mostly just talking shit basil-anxious-smile

        • WalrusDragonOnABike [they/them]@lemmy.today
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          4 months ago

          Most of them are LGBT, so some probably already experienced those problems even without being furries. Like, idk if I know any allocishet furries. Also, many keep quiet about that kind of thing at work. I think some also keep the furry stuff secret from family but presumably are out about being gay.

          • kristina [she/her]M
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            4 months ago

            Yeah I get that but its not a furry thing at that point specifically

            I also don't tell my family I post on hexbear? Its like having a hobby right

            • WalrusDragonOnABike [they/them]@lemmy.today
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              4 months ago

              I tell my family I post on the fediverse just like I mention most of my hobbies. Work, I wouldn't mention posting on here, but I would mention other hobbies.

              But also, being a furry seems like its much more a part of their identity than like a casual hobby and would probably be more akin to transitioning. Adopting a new name, look, etc, including when meeting up with other furry friends (I've never been to a furcon, so only judging based on what I've heard from others). Some still use their birthname for those kinds of things, but for others their birthname might as well be a deadname in the context where they're comfortable being themselves.

              Granted, many do hop from one fursona to another at some point or another, but gender fluid people exist too and many trans people go adopt new identities (like NB-> woman or woman->agender, etc).

              There's a couple furry streamers I know who seem to be eggs and basically use being a furry as a way to express themselves (one seems to have internalized transphobia issues and the other seems to be agender and may just not realize that's an option or may think "trans" implies having a gender).

      • WalrusDragonOnABike [they/them]@lemmy.today
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        4 months ago

        I used to believe I fit into groups more stigmatized than furries partly as a way of denying my gender issues. Wasn't an intentional thing, but the weird intersection of certain coping mechanism I had developed and being ace but not knowing it led to an awful explanation for both issues. I don't think the level of stigma matters that much when you learn coping mechanism before you seriously consider things like identity.

        Also, the "I can't really do anything with this but hide it" make it easier to not critically examine it. Gender... There's a lot more to potentially do. And doing stuff can be scary.

        • ashinadash [she/her]
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          4 months ago

          Huh, I see thonk-trans figures my read of a social aspect would be many thousands of miles off. Very neat, I see.

          And yeah I did think last night, since other stuff tends to be things you hide by default maybe that helps, hmmmm. More to this than I had figured...