One year on. Hundreds of thousands are dying or dead, millions are displaced, the Middle East is undergoing its greatest changes in a generation, Iran has directly attacked Israel twice in one year, and Yemen has proven that the US Navy ain't worth shit. We are the closest we have been to nuclear war (discounting accidents) in decades, but also the fall of Israel.
Because one day, the prisoners of a concentration camp paraglided over a wall.
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Israel-Palestine Conflict
Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:
UNRWA reports on Israel's destruction and siege of Gaza and the West Bank.
English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account. Alt here.
English-language twitter account that collates news.
Arab-language twitter account with videos and images of fighting.
English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon. - Telegram is @IbnRiad.
English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis. - Telegram is @EyesOnSouth.
English-language Twitter account in the same group as the previous two. - Telegram here.
English-language PalestineResist telegram channel.
More telegram channels here for those interested.
Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists
Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict
Sources:
Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.
Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.
Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.
Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.
Simplicius, who publishes on Substack. Like others, his political analysis should be soundly ignored, but his knowledge of weaponry and military strategy is generally quite good.
On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.
Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.
Pro-Russian Telegram Channels:
Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.
https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.
https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.
https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.
https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.
https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.
https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.
https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.
https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.
https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.
Pro-Ukraine Telegram Channels:
Almost every Western media outlet.
https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.
https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.
Another day, another one-sided beef with PSL. The us left is so cooked https://t.me/unity_of_fields/716
PSL has its flaws but these are bullshit statements, an org doesn't have to go through a checklist every time they make an announcement just to prove to this dude that they're revolutionary, and the assumption that the protests were half assed is a spit on the face of everyone that has participated over the last years in the huge protests in the streets and universities at the risk of being beaten, arrested, or lied about by the media.
I'm not from the US, so take everything with a grain of salt. I don't believe PSL is an exemplary vanguard party, but it is one with genuine revolutionaries within it doing real work in the outside world and it succeeds at growing and gaining momentum, that is not negligible for a country with probably the most well guarded capitalist regime.
For this to cook the US left, it would have to have some relevance. It's all bullshit, and this thread is the most anyone has ever talked about it.
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It’s been cooked since the first red scare, we just get more examples every day
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Don’t people love Palestine action? Is the us version cucked?
I’m very suspicious of them, they go around committing vandalism and admitting it was them and never face consequences. Legit think it might be a psyop to lul left actionists into a false sense of security, that they can do those things too.
The “clean room” they breached in the UK is an example of this BS. It wasn’t a clean room. Clean rooms aren’t under 1 layer of shitty corrugated metal, they have advanced seals and filtration systems. It was just some shop floor. They pretended they shut down manufacturing for a year without any evidence and it’s most likely it was just like a 24 hour cleanup
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Nobody I know and work with in the radical left would say it’s a good idea to post on social media “look at this vandalism we did” but Pal Action does that. How do they consistently get away with ignoring opsec that every other left group has to follow or get instantly blown up by the feds?
It smells fucking rancid. Something is off.
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Actually the only person with any sense pointed out that they broadcast occupations where the only way they’re removed is by force (arrest) and that those occupations aren’t the only actions they take. Zed just seems a bit psyop-happy
They just broadcasted their vandalism of the insurers of Elbit Systems where they broke glass and spray painted and nobody there was arrested. Why did they rat on themselves?
I’m asking for facts and you’re asking me hypotheticals. It’s going to take a bit more for me to conclude they’re Feds or puppets
I’m not telling you to conclude they are feds, just to have a reasonable skepticism why they are treated differently and with kid gloves than literally every other group.
I don’t know what other groups you’re talking about, I literally posted here apparently calling out the US version for pointless sectarianism which should bolster the fed argument. I was just asking for facts. When people said PSL was funded by Goldman Sachs, I looked into that and realized it was bullshit. Idk what double standards you’ve seen, but they haven’t come from me.
Treated differently by the British government, not by us.
The British government handles this group with kid gloves and consistently lets them off the hook even though they are blatantly breaking the law and waving it in everyone’s face. Nobody else does that or gets that treatment.
Didn’t people say this about xr or just stop oil?
Both of which are fucking radlib psyops, not exactly proving your point. Those people are sketchy as hell
Ok so before they were treated different from other groups, now all the groups are psyops. Gotcha
Treated different than other leftist groups. Radlib NGO groups of course get nice treatment.
I gave an example of PSL getting off. Are they radlib ngos
One example is very different than a consistent pattern. PSL doesn’t go around posting evidence of its crimes on social media and incriminating its members. It uses Op Sec if it does anything like that, as one would expect from any leftist group.
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Assasinations create martyrs. Much easier to discredit or ignore
Not really. Ferguson leadership were slaughtered en masse and nobody cared
“En masse” there were a half dozen. It was the most obvious since Hampton, but it’s clearly fallen out of favor
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Nothing. They killed tons of activists in 2020 too.
Did they?
Yes, there were hundreds of deaths by pig in 2020
Hundreds?
Yes, look up the police death toll in the summer of 2020.
14,000+ arrests and over 120 deaths
When I look this up, am I going to see 120 cop murders of protestors or 120 cop murders between June and August of 2020?
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It wasn’t extremely effective, the movement died, was reborn, and died again for many other reasons than a handful of killings. There wasn’t enough leadership to decapitate
Leadership was half decapitated, half coopted by democrats. Those who wouldn’t sell out got offed or jailed. This is how the democrats killed Ferguson and the 2020 protests successfully
Which 50% of leaders were killed in 2020 or 2016
You sound like my chud uncle. Were you asleep for that summer? The entire radical and violent wing of that movement got jailed or shot or otherwise violently suppressed. This was out in the open
Because I think the movement was crushed by other means besides mass murder of protestors?
Mass murder, jail and otherwise violently suppressed. If you are denying the reality of 2020 and thinking no violence happened to the radical sections of the movement, yeah. That’s chud behavior
I literally never said that, you’ve moved the goalposts from murder to violence. Gtfo
State violence used to intimidate people into hiding/out of public is de facto identical as killing them in terms of the political sphere. It has the same effect. It gets rid of them.
Cool so it was a terminology issue. When I talk about killing, I mean it literally, not in the “killing the activist” sense
See I had the opposite impression. Jury nullification cases are exceedingly rare historically. The fact that a left vandal club is consistently getting jury nullification trials adds to my suspicion, it doesn’t detract from it. Another odd anomaly where this group is treated differently than every other leftist group for some inexplicable reason.
Usually imperialist nations are extremely serious when it comes to prosecuting anyone who gets in the way of wars. Sedition, treason, terrorism charges all get thrown around. For some reason though never for these folks.
Richard Medhurst was arrested in the UK for literally just posting news and commentary, and is being charged under terrorism laws. But the people actually breaking into MIC facilities get off Scott free? It’s weird
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Didn’t some PSL activists get off in 2020? I think it was Denver. Are they federales as well?
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Do you have any evidence of psyop or is it just vibes?
The fact they never get in trouble and every other group that attempts something similar gets max jail sentences is the only evidence I have.
The telegram I linked has a bunch of people doing vandalism without consequences. I’m talking funding, court cases, actual evidence of government backing. Because that “fact” is still vibes
I don't think it's a psyop because there are multiple Palestine Action affiliate branches for different countries unless you think every single one of those branches are also psyops, which isn't impossible but would be pretty hard to have multiple intelligence agencies coordinate like that instead of just having a different psyop run by one intelligence agency for each country.
I also don't think they're equivalent to XR/Just Stop Oil because Palestine Action actually cause property damage. XR threw dye at some public fountain and Just Stop Oil basically threw paint on glass and made a easily moppable floor dirty. They're minor inconveniences at best. That isn't the same as breaking into a factory and smashing drones.
And as a final point, I haven't seen any independent media raise suspicion about Palestine Action. For example, Blumenthal might be an antivaxxer crank/grifter, but he's usually good at sniffing out controlled opposition and compromised elements. If you think about all the controlled opps like Tulsi Gabbard or XR or that Breadtuber who trafficked eastern European women (Beau something), there were people who knew they were full of shit since Day 1, but I haven't seen anything from independent media about Palestine Action. The vast majority of them are supportive of Palestine Action if anything.
Having said that, their cavalier disregard for opsec never sat right with me. I mostly chalked it up to the UK being different from the US (which I supposed would make Palestine Action US a lot more sus since they're trying to copy Palestine Action UK), but who knows.
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All good, I just literally thought you meant The Fergie for a second
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Where do I learn about Chambers and Co? He gives off red flag vibes to me but I don't know where to find real info.
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No worries comrade I'm not making demands or anything! Any info is appreciated.
Aside from curiosity I ask because I know people that fall for every anti-PSL rant they have ever heard and it is always handy to at least know what they are talking about.
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Thank you, this is very interesting! I'll try to dig around to get more info about those early days.
Just make your own encompasing statement along in solidarity. Don't know who this unity of fields is but eye roll.
PSL is one of the few good ones. Very petty gripes.
All statements must be a leftist meme with 15 paragraphs of condemnations and commendations or they are betraying the international working class!
Unity of Fields came out of the student protests of 2023. They mainly vandalize business entities that support Israel. Most recently they posted pictures of them contaminating a supposed "clean room" at a private military research contractor. I'm not sure what a clean room is, but they say it will take some time to restore.
I've also seen claimed footage of them trashing records rooms in similar facilities.
I have my doubts about how real these claims are
Oh ok.
A "clean room" in tech terms is a sterile environment to prevent contamination of dust, oils, debris because when you make high percision say electronics or turbines any little speck could be a point of failure.
How you can make a meal out of a pretty banal statement like that sure is something. Gotta get those western left trve pure revolutionary brownie points somehow I guess
Real shouting at clouds vibe right there