The consumption is the point. They just want candy not a meal. They want fucking marvelslop not Cinema.
Inb4 let people enjoy things, the mindset on display is a perfect member of capitalist society. A mindless consumption machine.
Don't know what the deleted comment was but your profile pic is a correct enough response anyway
Please be fucking normalllll and yes let people enjoy things
Don't hate on fans and Marvel's popularity because the movies lack cinematic sophistry or is artistically stagnant
Hate because it's propaganda and infests people with
Let people enjoy critiquing the people critiquing the people who critique people who enjoy things.
which is people insulting randos over random shit
Unlike your very different action of totally not insulting me here.
The difference between insulting people and insulting media is like super clear and conflating the two is really stupid???
https://hexbear.net/comment/4232675
This is not “treat defense”.
No, it is. Your treat was criticized and you're blowing up all over this thread about it.
IF HAVING FUCKING EMPATHY, EVEN FOR RANDOM FUCKERS WHO LIKE SHOWS I HATE, MAKES ME A TREAT DEFENDER, THEN I’LL BE A TREAT DEFENDER AS MUCH AS I FUCKING WANT, AND YOU’LL FUCKING DEAL WITH IT
New tagline just dropped
I already directly quoted and linked your own words. I actually don't know which specific treat myself but you certainly went in guns blazing over it. I assumed it was MCU-related because of the thread's starting post, but maybe not.
https://hexbear.net/comment/4232675
Honestly, it does seem everyone in this stupid fucking "discourse" as a certain "point past legitimacy" that they hold. The thing enjoyers think any criticism of the thing they enjoy is illegitimate. The enjoyers of criticizing the things thing enjoyers enjoy think any counter-criticism to their criticism are illegitimate. The enjoyers of criticizing the enjoyers of criticizing things the thing enjoyers enjoy think any counter-counter-criticism is illegitimate...
Everyone seems to think the buck stops exactly right wherever they are and everyone beyond needs to shut up. But that's not really how discussions of media work is it? Everyone it constantly making argument and counter arguments that lead into other arguments.
The difference between insulting people and insulting media is like super clear and conflating the two is really stupid???
So your answer is apparently to call me "really stupid" for doing that with three question marks, all while presuming I was insulting you, all because you apparently feel so defensive about your treats that criticisms of those treats (or maybe even the bad parts of their fandom) are taken like personal attacks.
It isn’t “thought policing” to tell someone to not shit on someone for doing something completely innocuous that probably 90% of people here have done because their friends and family are still obsessed with it
Actually it kind of is here, especially how you frame it with such excessively ungenerous presumptive portrayal, and declared what you think I thought was "really stupid" with three question marks. You don't want me to share what I think here, and maybe even don't want me to think it at all. In other words, you apparently do want my thoughts policed.
I didn't make the edited comic, or that "when thought policing backfires" title for it. But considering how you just reacted to it, maybe it's on to something.
I have literally not watched a single marvel movie in what is likely a year
I have never watched a marvel movie
Please secure the position of cultural minister after the revolution. The slop rehab programs are going to need your strength.
You are the one acting defensive about having a treat criticized.
I wasn't even talking to you whatsoever until you started by calling me "really stupid."
https://hexbear.net/comment/4232675
and again I am really sorry about how rude I have been
If you were actually sorry you wouldn't have included "totally didn't insult you in excessive reactive defensiveness over a treat, just called you 'really stupid' in the first reply which totally doesn't count" in this very same reply.
I'm not even going to address the rest because you can't even own up to what you already did from the start here.
So much for the tired and going to bed announcement.
I’m trying to be open here
Then stop dodging labels and denying what you have already directly done in this thread.
I know I was hostile. That wasn’t ok. But I was scared, I was angry, and I don’t really know what else to say
Owning up to it is good and a good start and I sincerely respect that. Yes, that is what I tend to call treat defense and the way you blew up at me from the start seemed like a textbook example of it. It's not a fatal error and I think it's best to just accept that you did react the way you did and just back down from that from there.
I really don’t want to make you hate me for a prolonged period. I am willing to do anything to try and make it up to you, legitimately. I will delete all of my comments on this post if you want that. I don’t want to be an annoying debate-bro, I just want a community I can feel safe in
Things are fine. I don't hate you. I actually respect you quite a bit now for the vulnerability you've just shown. That takes courage.
Being a hater is incredibly target rich as a Leftist. It’s like being an American in a school.
Constant internal argument, struggle, and contradiction, absolutely primes you to body the nearest lib.
My mental health will never recover, but i sure as hell can argue about things.
It is pretty scary just how many easy to consume slop works are about the nonpolitical concept of very special people that are born with a unique epic destiny that must (sometimes secretly) police over and rule over the unwashed unruly masses to maintain the status quo against bad people that want to change it, or for the Vincent Adultmen, how common it is to present the Adults In The Room Making The Hard Decisions and Getting Shit (atrocities, usually) Done.
I hear what you're saying but like Garfield > art by any of the ninja turtles; there's a lot of it and the characters talk too so you know what the cat is trying to say, just saying.
and the cat likes lasagna
EXACTLY and it's like who doesn't?! It's just so relatable!
Okay yea it sucks so much. I should've said don't hate on fans for that though
I’ll hate on whoever I want. You will never get me to believe it’s ok that society’s culture revolves around marvelbrained baby slop. It’s a sign of deep, deep problems with that society
Your hate was never pure enough if you have allowed yourself to regress back into accepting this dreck
You will never get me to believe it’s ok that society’s culture revolves around marvelbrained baby slop.
You're a Thanos to our Avengers; HEXBEARS ASSEMBLE!
Do you really think these individual, random fuckers have any power over what kind of content they are really exposed to, what kind of media is socially acceptable?
Nope. Nobody has any power over what conditions they arise in, doesn't change the end results of what they are. I wouldn't spare a nazi the wall because of the conditions of 20th century Germany molded them, and I would condemn a zionist even if they were born in Israel and brainwashed into it. You can critique individual symptoms and representations of the odious whole. Obviously those are much more serious crimes, but the same logic applies.
But the random individuals that make it up aren’t deserving of actual hatred or mockery for enjoying it.
Yeah they are, sure. Why are you so defensive about this and not the other 1000 things we mock and hate people for on hexbear dot net?
turning all of the art of film into artless fascist dreck is not harmless, and it's turned a generation of adults into blithering children. It's as contemptible as adults who still frame their worldview in harry potter. It's childish and obscene and reflective of deep problems in society, as I said.
I said the severity of the crimes is not the same.
it's turned a generation of adults into blithering children.
Think think blaming this exclusively on Marvel movies seems more than a bit reductive.
Ooh reductive eh? My shitpost was reductive? You want me to write a Marxist thesis every time I critique some dumb lib shit in our society?
Very telling that as soon as treat critiques come up half of hexbear shitposters who have no problem throwing around insults and reductive statements in every other scenario get very serious and somber and demand a thesis. It’s like when family members of cops or troops demand very serious Marxist analysis before we mock da troops. No. I don’t care about your hang ups
Dragging treats is truly the treats of this site. You make the mildest of treat-sympathetic statement and the reaction is far more over the top than what you get from the typical treat chaser.
Treat chaser quotes in this very thread:
WHAT TREAT!??? WHAT TREAT!??? I HAVE NO CONNECTION TO MARVEL, I’VE SAID THAT SO MANY TIMES? WHAT FUCKING TREAT AM I DEFENDING?? BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT LOOKS LIKE THE ONLY “TREAT” IM DEFENDING IS MY OWN FUCKING DESIRE FOR INNOCENT RANDOM PEOPLE NOT TO BE INSULTED AND IF THAT MAKES ME A TREAT DEFENDER THAN IM FUCKING PROUD OF IT IF HAVING FUCKING EMPATHY, EVEN FOR RANDOM FUCKERS WHO LIKE SHOWS I HATE, MAKES ME A TREAT DEFENDER, THEN I’LL BE A TREAT DEFENDER AS MUCH AS I FUCKING WANT, AND YOU’LL FUCKING DEAL WITH IT
I wasn't even defending treats bro, I fucking hate marvel movies (except Spider-Man, I'll admit I like Spider-Man), was just saying you were being reductive, which even you admitted was true you just got pissy at me for pointing it out.
Dorks can have exactly one (1) artistically bankrupt mega franchise that they enjoy, mostly because it made an impression on them as a child.
I'm stuck with Star Wars, and I'll have to live with hoping something like Andor season 1 to happen again for the rest of my life.
"Be normal" as a motto in such a diseased society is, uh, not good leftism whatever your podcast papa tells you
Media choices aren’t harmless and if insulting media insults your identity that’s a you problem
i reserve the right to also be a hater in matters of taste.
but ultimately i do not begrudge garbage fans their garbage.
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Is this a copypasta from somewhere or did you just make this up? Great bit
It's a site tagline, I'm not sure where the original came from.
It was a copypasta back on r/chapotraphouse, but I'm pretty sure it predates that, as it was in full usage back then too. It wouldn't surprise me if it was originally a leftypol 4chan greentext.
They just want candy not a meal. They want fucking marvelslop not Cinema.
shrug I don't know why you need to get on people's cases about this. They're equating this to cheap candy bars, ffs. They know. We know they know.
Inb4 let people enjoy things
But you still should. There's no point in ragging on folks for liking a thing you don't like, even if we can say that it's cheap and lazy and bad at an objective level.
Given how the franchise has slumped since Infiniti War, it feels like you're kicking a dead horse. The production of these films is getting slowed down as their ratings tank out. "The Marvels" brought in a pathetic $6.6M its opening day. The Barbie Movie and Oppenheimer both proved people are interested in different slop. Finding the last guy on Reddit who is still into this shit and yelling at them... like, why, bro?
Have to say, though - very disapointed we got Monica Rambeau but it's not Nextwave.
I'm still enjoying the Miles Morales Spiderverse movies, more than anything because the art direction is so good.
But it hurts to see quality characters wasted like this.
Wait is this film also US military propaganda like the first Captain Marvel?
It's Marvel, so probably. But I think it was more about tying in a bunch of Netflix properties.
When did we all start "consuming" everything? I've never consumed a media in my life. I've watched a lot of movies and tv shows. I've read a number of books, magazines, and newspaper articles. I've played lots of games. But why do people insist on using capitalist slang to describe their own habits. It's bad enough they call everyone "CONSOOMERS" for everything in state media, but why bring it on yourself too?
Hard agree. I hate how the words “consume” and “content” are excessively used
I disagree, they are perfect words for describing capitalist commodities and our mindless absorption of them as a society. To use other words would be to conceal the fundamental truth of their use and our relationship to the world as capitalist subjects. Capitalist subjects consume commodities, they slurp the whole world up until nothing is left. Accept what we are don’t hide it
I have never consumed a commodity in my life, akchually. RIP to the world slurpers but I’m built different
Movie nerds when someone says their favorite film is "The Avengers" and not a 7 hour silent Bulgarian film with 0 discernable plot or characters
Edit: marvek is slop
Tarkovsky vs American cinema is a really good way to show the hollowness of culture under capitalism.
A movie with no discernable characters would at least be kind of interesting if it was still live-action
if somebody's favorite movie is the avengers they're a child
Death to America
Personally, I'm on the "don't be an asshole" side of things when it comes to people with very awful, but ultimately harmless taste in entertainment.
But also enjoying slop is not an identity. If it really hurts your feelings when someone dunks on you for legitimately enjoying Spiderman XXVI: A Megaverse at Home or whatever it was called, then you should probably take a closer look at the unhealthy way you're internalizing your connection to media consumption.
I wouldn't partake in dunking on someone for that, mostly because I kinda get it. I also like to shut my brain off every once in a while and enjoy mindless fast-foodified entertainment slop, but if someone wanted to roast me for it I'd probably laugh at myself with them. (Note: I always pirate that shit, I wouldn't be caught fucking dead paying for it and I will always relentlessly mock pay pigs for being some of the most boot addicted people on this Earth)
Spiderman XXVI: A Megaverse at Home
Hey now lets leave the Spider-verse movies out of this!
While they are enjoyable pieces of cinema, every single thing I've read about the conditions of the production of the Spider-Verse films has made it sound soul crushing.
Haven't heard about that but I believe it. Sadly I think that's just most animation work these days. Media in general honestly.
Everybody is sincere posting about people enjoying stuff. But nobody's talking about how you could possibly feel satisfied after eating a whole bag of candy, instead of feeling like dogshit.
Those small bags of crisps they have in Asia > disgusting Western 300 grams Lays.
Americans have way too much sugar, I was talking to a yank irl and he said he would have over a liter of soft drink a day. ????? I honestly thought he was joking.
Also, I know Brits put sugar in tea (gross, but you do you), and then I had American tea. What the actual fuck.
Burgerland puts high fructose corn syrup in bread. Bread.
It's actually hard to find bread in Burgerland that doesn't contain sugar that doesn't need to be there. 🍞
My god, giving people diabetes just from eating everyday food then milking every cent left to their name for insulin would be too ridiculous for a dystopian novel if it weren't reality.
Ever since I moved down the street from a local bakery, I've more or less stopped buying store breads, it'll go stale rather fast but you can just freeze it or use the stale bread.
Also, I know Brits put sugar in tea (gross, but you do you)
you're supposed to have sugar in tea proportional to the extent your job involves manual labour. It's a weird custom that dates back to when tea replaced alcohol as the drink of choice and then loads of people suddenly were missing the caloric content of alcohol
then loads of people suddenly were missing the caloric content of alcohol
you mean to say the british drinking level presently is substantially lower than it used to be?
That sounds off as a Chinese person since we A: did not add calories to tea via milk, B: did not add calories to tea via sugar and C: had just various famines from antiquity till the 20th century, and didn't adopt sweetening tea for caloric intake
yeah but the UK has a different culture around tea, alcohol and food in general to China
I still feel like we probably would have adopted adding sugar to tea to fight caloric deficiency somewhere in the last few thousand years if that made a measurable difference. Especially considering sugar cane is native to India and south east Asia, it was more abundant and accessible in Asia than western Europe.
I'm not saying sugar doesn't add calories, I just don't think it would be that big of an improvement.
A parallel I can think of is how Turkish cevze coffee is traditionally most often unsweetened, much like Italians drink espressos after breakfast, but the UK/US will have sweetened coffee as the norm. The beverage which serves a social and almost ritualistic function has been adapted and turned into another marketable treat in the Anglosphere.
Edit: either that or the working class in western Europe and UK/CAN/AUS had access to such shitty quality coffee and tea grit that they have to make it palatable with sugar, and then the claws of capitalism came along and turned it into a marketable treat
well sugar does have a lot of calories. And China never had the specific situation of switching from a high calorie drink to a low calorie one suddenly
also British tea drinking definitely has a ritual social function
That... sounds wrong but I don't know enough about tea or history to dispute it. Just trying to imagine pre industrial manual laborers dripping with sweat, chugging hot tea out of fine China while complaining it's not sweet enough.
Brits drinking the tea equivalent of mids while China and India had dank chronic literally led to wars.
well they wouldn't have had fine china. Tea in the UK is not a very fancy drink unless you're posh.
one of the big reasons tea was adopted is boiling water makes it safe to drink and it replaced using weak alcohol for that purpose
I don't put tea in green or black loose leaf, I find I kinda need to for English Breakfast or Earl Grey. It tastes off, the sugar really brings out the flavor I think.
Coming back to the thread later, I think you’ve identified it. The way they compared it to gross American dietary mentality is what puts it over the top.
I don't care that he has a lack of artistic interest in film. I'm glad the movies make him happy
that said I do hope that the recent marvel failures results in an end to the trend of everything being a cinematic universe
that said I do hope that the recent marvel failures results in an end to the trend of everything being a cinematic universe
The studios will probably give it a rest, and then bring them back with a plan to run them for the exact amount of time for a maximum profit - like all those Netflix shows getting dropped after two seasons.
I don't think it's so easy. Marvel started the MCU in an exact right way the first time and every other studio that tried failed. I don't think they could do it again
especially with people already cinematic universe fatigued
Edit: I’m just tired.
reactionary-tasting anger
Your treat will be safe without your totally-not-reacting-with-anger blowing up all over this thread about some particular treat of yours being criticized. The treat will still be there in the morning, no matter what mean things were said about it.
I just replied to your other post and I did respect the vulnerability you showed. My reply up there was before I read that from you.
Chronologically, yes, I was upset those minutes ago because you were dodging things you had already said and at the same time were calling me "really stupid" and later on accusing me of "reactionary-tasting anger."
I didnt try to dodge any of it.
I have no idea what you think I’m dodging.
The difference between insulting people and insulting media is like super clear and conflating the two is really stupid???
which is people insulting randos over random shit
reactionary-tasting anger
This is not “treat defense”.
There's a lot more already in this thread if you just scroll up what you've already said to me, but insulting me from the start in your very first reply and then dodging that insult while making accusations and presumptions about what I said in the worst possible light makes it hard to generously interpret things at this point.
I didn’t know you were angry at me over the three question marks specifically
Being called very stupid from the start was the issue and it got worse when you did rhetorical backflips to simultaneously say you didn't insult me from the start while continuing to insult me while framing what I said (or presumably, previously said because it's not even in this thread) in the above quoted ways.
Between this post and the other one you just made:
WHAT TREAT!??? WHAT TREAT!???
I HAVE NO CONNECTION TO MARVEL, I’VE SAID THAT SO MANY TIMES?
WHAT FUCKING TREAT AM I DEFENDING??
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT LOOKS LIKE THE ONLY “TREAT” IM DEFENDING IS MY OWN FUCKING DESIRE FOR INNOCENT RANDOM PEOPLE NOT TO BE INSULTED AND IF THAT MAKES ME A TREAT DEFENDER THAN IM FUCKING PROUD OF IT
IF HAVING FUCKING EMPATHY, EVEN FOR RANDOM FUCKERS WHO LIKE SHOWS I HATE, MAKES ME A TREAT DEFENDER, THEN I’LL BE A TREAT DEFENDER AS MUCH AS I FUCKING WANT, AND YOU’LL FUCKING DEAL WITH IT
I don't think anything I say after this point is going to help. I'm not changing my position, especially not now. While I still respect what you admitted and showed previously, almost immediately after that you started all-caps demonstrating more of the same hostility you had replied to me with, in this thread, from the start.
Does “treat defense” mean something other than someone vehemently defending some sort of piece of media?
I suppose the definition can be expanded to outright reactive hostility toward even the idea or possibility of media criticism and taking it up as a personal cause, as if one is in personal danger if that entertainment product is criticized. Calling me "really stupid" because I posted an edited webcomic you clearly didn't like and going on and on from there, all because I do believe people should let people not enjoy things (and yes, criticize them).
You apparently didn't like that the edit used the term "thought police." I didn't make the edit, I just used material on hand. But this exchange so far has in some ways only hardened my position about how unfortunately and excessively defensive some people can get at even the idea of their entertainment getting criticized.
the media people consume influences/reflects their personalities and attitudes. if you are consuming something 'just because others are consuming it' it betrays a lack of critical thinking, and a kind of bandwagon effect attitude. if people are 'literally addicted' to Marvel then it is by your own admission very problematic. the solution to addiction isn't to just keep letting the addict use without any effort to control and reduce usage. that 60% of their conversations could ideally be used for something beautiful or useful, but instead is squatted by bland, meaningless, corporate garbage with zero artistic integrity or cultural value. corporate slop is, let me be perfectly clear, a weapon of psychological warfare forced upon the masses by corporate media campaigns. media isn't some kind of utopian democracy where the 'best' thing or 'naturally/objectively most popular' thing 'wins' the grand popularity contest; media attitudes are manufactured by marketers and inflicted on the public via expansive and expensive propaganda campaigns.
its not that these are 'bad people' (as if the opinion of random internet posters would matter in that regard), its that they exhibit what some leftists consider to be problematic behavior and thought processes. and since they are not on this board to have their feelings hurt we use the format of 'dunking'. this is a trait not unique to hexbear but common to english language, where the fundamental misattribution error is basically baked in to the syntax and grammar.
like yeah, we're not going to write a marxist essay for every marvel enjoyer analysing their plight and oppression. these treats are mostly for rich white suburban kids and their parents, marvel enjoyers are not some oppressed minority yearning to be free of the yoke of hexbears telling them they like silly mindless shit. we are going to dunk on them like we do for EVERY SINGLE OTHER example of problematic thought or behavior.
just like we don't pearl-clutch over criticizing nazis or cops or liberals that support genocide, who were 'just victims of propaganda and society' (which is true!), we don't pearl clutch over criticizing this kind of problematic mindlessness either.
media consumption is not some kind of sacred event that cannot ever be criticized in another, we are allowed to draw conclusions, even critical and negative ones, from the behaviors and attitudes of others.
edit: this is not intended as hostile but educational; i tried to maintain a mostly neutral tone, and just wanted to make my position and possibly that of others clear and explicit.
dunking'. this is a trait not unique to hexbear but common to english language, where the fundamental misattribution error is basically baked in to the syntax and grammar.
Good point
I wonder if when Marvel introduces Captain Israel (I've no idea what her name is; she's IDF too) if she'll have as part of her backstory that she participated in the genocide of Palestinians happening right now; maybe she can attack a random brown family in America when she sees that one of them wears a Palestinian scarf (as some zionist person attacked a (Sikh) dad (who was wearing a Palestinian scarf) holding his kid, throwing hot coffee at him and allegedly saying she hoped his kid would burn in an oven).
The Palestinians will have superpowers provided by an evil god (Allah) and they need to feed off the souls of pure white Israeli babies for fuel
I'm morbidly curious as to how bad this movie is going to be, it was already filmed before the actors' strike but is apparently going to see extensive reshoots after test screenings
tbh the latest quality of the marvel movies and the hate female superheroes are getting from the fanbase a captain Israel movie might make people like Israel less
That's fine, though? A big part of relaxing is just turning your brain off and embracing your inner potatoe. There are certainly many people that deserve your criticism, but this one seems like a self-concious statement that the person just wants dumb slop, like 90s action movies or whatever
Honestly agree with the second comment because modern trailers basically spoil movies, and a ton of reviewers just write complete trash. Like sure I'll look at rotten tomatoes scores just to check that what I'm going to watch isn't complete nonsense, but I'm not going to read a review written by someone that might not even understand the movie themselves. See the original reviews for Starship Troopers, the reviewers completely missed the entire point of the film. Media literacy has never been great, and it's honestly been at an all time low in the past few years.
The difference is that I probably won't find superhero slop or Prestige TV slop entertaining/fun though. Honestly tuned out of the superhero movies after Age of Ultron. They're not really movies anymore, just really long series episodes with a large gap in between.
They've been left near-tasteless by the education system and the media. They don't have the receptors in the metaphorical organ/brain to taste anything beyond the slop sadly. Like they only can taste salt, grease, and sweet. And everyone telling them the figurative McDonalds isn't good enough is an alien to them.
braver than the troops
