So yeah title says it all, currently around 8 months into a new hospital position and I've been extending my feelers out and doing job apps and got back invites to the start of preliminary interviews for some other jobs (mainly cuss there is likely going to be no significant pay raises for all us new hires until 2 years out so fuck that).
Bring this up to parents though and they have the weirdest attitude as though I'm betraying my company as well as shooting myself in the foot even though if I got some of these positions I'm interviewing for I'd see a huge pay bump and really good benefits (one of them is a state gig and has a damned good pension plan with only 5 years to be vested fully).
They also don't understand the hellish nightmare that every step of the job hunting process is for neurodivergent people
The slightly younger Xer junior boomers also have no idea how much "open offices" fucking suck for anyone who isn't a dudebro social parasite that needs to make noise and harass coworkers and subordinates all day.
Every day the noise and lights and constant interruptions/task changing are driving me insane and I'm so fucking drained I can't jump through all the hoops to look for a new job
I'll probably just have a massive nervous breakdown and send a resignation after I leave and can't stop crying for hours
I know this feeling, and I really hope it doesn't come to that. I hope you get free and find something that makes you feel fulfilled and cared for.
Mood. It doesn't matter if I sleep 2 or 12 hours, I'm just mentally exhausted by the time I get home.
Boomers are insufferable when it comes to basically anything involving employment.
I'm gonna rant.
Their misplaced loyalty or what I would call "cuckholdery" to their employers is... pathetic. Every employee creates some amount of surplus value which their employer syphons off and calls profit. This is the fundamentals of everything. To he grateful or whatever to the person who steals from you day after day is... well, it's cuckholdery. No better word for it, imo.
During "their day," most of them are now retired or nearing retirement very soon, (I'm assuming we are discussing actual boomers ie people in that broad generation from like 1945-1965 or whatever) you could feasibly get a job in 1970, work for 30 or 40 years and retire in 2000 or 2010 with a decent pension. They see staying at a job for decades as normal because it was for them, and maybe it could be normal, but capitalists have made it not the case.
I also generally hate that people in their 60s+ have apparently no fucking concept of inflation and wages and the fact that they have not kept up at all. I've legit heard so many boomers and gen Xers whine, in earnest, about "kids demanding $15/hr!" and how ridiculous it is. It's like, bro. If you make $15/hr almost anywhere in the country, you have to work full time and split bills with someone else to kinda sorta make it and live anything close to a normal life. Like a life where you can afford a week or two off a year to travel somewhere or buy a new phone every couple years or eat out a few times a month. Not exactly luxuries, but boomers act like if you have a cell phone you should stfu and be grateful. As if mobile phones didn't become essentially mandatory in the last decade. At least the ability to receive calls and texts. You can go without, but again, achieving "normal" is the minimum, imo. And normal at this point means having a phone. Sorry, boomers!
And speaking of inflation, they have no idea how much housing costs relative to wages. Sorry, it Uncle Bob, it isn't 1967 anymore and houses aren't $20000 when you make $10000 a year. I'm exaggerating? Google it. MFers could fully pay off a HOUSE in maybe 10 years. That's crazy. That's insane. That's probably how "it should be" if a country insists on treating housing as a commodity. Instead they slowly stretched prices up to force 30 year mortgages and that's the norm for a few decades now.
Btw, job resumes are bullshit. People don't think about them much because it seems common sense. They kinda are, but the bullshit part isn't having your contact info and a few job titles you held in the past. That's basically fine. Even putting numbers for coworkers or ex-bosses is probably fine to verify people did something. The problem is... the whole "other shit" part of it. How it needs to be formatted in way to tingle the brain of a moron in HR (not sorry HR people- you know what you are. I rip my brother's HR ass all the time). How people "care" or it's considered "bad" to take a year off or even years off. Like how you have to explain that. W H Y? Why does any human get to ask and why does anyone have to feel compelled to answer that question? "Because this system sucks donkey cocks and I took a year to chill at my parents and paid them by cutting the grass and cleaning up dog shit. Why the fuck do you care, you're gonna make as much off me whether I slaved away for that year or not."
Resumes are absolutely the result of petty-tyrants in HR having far too much influence and I don't give a shit what anyone says.
Fuck this shit.
I honestly believe the “not knowing how much housing costs” thing is the worst boomer trait of them all. Anyone can look up house prices at any time, there’s no excuse for thinking that you can get affordable housing because “I did when I was your age” or whatever bullshit.
Nah, they know. Plenty of boomers know their house is worth a shit ton of money now. They just refuse to accept that their kids have to pay that much. It's cognitive dissonance.
I bought my house for $20 and a dog I didn’t want anymore, now I’m selling it for $4,000,000.
JUST DO THAT.
That’s my point. They know, but they refuse to accept it. They think that even though their house is worth 20x what they paid for it, somehow there must be more affordable options. The alternative is accepting that things are, in fact, harder for young people than it was for them, and that’s the boomer red line.
And good luck trying to get them to admit that their kids have it harder than them. Because if that's the case, then they can't feel like warriors that powered through impossible odds anymore.
That’s what I mean by “boomer red line.” The one thing they can never bend on is the idea that they had it just as bad, if not worse, than young people today. If they did, their entire identity would unravel.
I'll give them credit for the 70s at least, complete shitter of a decade. But when things have sucked since the 2000s, the least they can do is give up their tough guy crown.
It doesn't help. I had countless arguments with boomers telling me I need to buy somewhere because renting is wasted money. (Omg really? Here I was giving a landlord the best part of a grand a month for a mouldy room in a house made of cardboard because I love the freedom of it. (Idk about that last part but apparently some people see renting as choosing to be free. As if you aren't contractually bound to pay the landlord for the term whether you stay or leave, but I digress.))
Then I would tell them the house prices and they would say, well that's affordable, what's the problem? The problem, mf, is that it seems affordable to you because you already own a fucking house worth the same amount so you are just imagining swapping one house for another rather than trying to buy one with not only zero monies in the bank but negative tens of thousands against your credit score, not to mention that your house might be worth an eye watering amount today but you bought it when they gave them away in raffles.
Feels good to get that off my chest, thanks.
And that’s exactly why I think it’s the worst boomer trait. Some things are hard to compare between now and then, but every form of housing is so vastly more expensive by any measure that to argue otherwise is psychotic. And yet.
not sorry HR people- you know what you are.
office cops, ACAB includes HR
Btw, job resumes are bullshit. People don't think about them much because it seems common sense. They kinda are, but the bullshit part isn't having your contact info and a few job titles you held in the past. That's basically fine. Even putting numbers for coworkers or ex-bosses is probably fine to verify people did something. The problem is... the whole "other shit" part of it. How it needs to be formatted in way to tingle the brain of a moron in HR (not sorry HR people- you know what you are. I rip my brother's HR ass all the time). How people "care" or it's considered "bad" to take a year off or even years off. Like how you have to explain that. W H Y? Why does any human get to ask and why does anyone have to feel compelled to answer that question? "Because this system sucks donkey cocks and I took a year to chill at my parents and paid them by cutting the grass and cleaning up dog shit. Why the fuck do you care, you're gonna make as much off me whether I slaved away for that year or not." Resumes are absolutely the result of petty-tyrants in HR having far too much influence and I don't give a shit what anyone says.
This. As far as work goes, I could forgive all of the boomer shit. All of it. If they weren't so damn picky and refused to hire people. If they didn't just assume everyone is superhuman and will get a decade of experience out college, or that they're okay with training people. It would be one thing If I was applying to be a doctor or something where that education and background experience are required, but porky treats every job like you're applying to be a doctor.
one of my boomer relatives always said the best time to start looking for a new job is right after you got hired
A rare example of a boomer being based and not trapped in their shit mentality
The fucked up bit is that they are back writing their own history. Data shows people job hopped way more in the 60's and 70's than now. Job hopping us a sign if a healthy economy.
I figured out 40 years ago that the only way to get any significant pay increase was to hop jobs. Loyalty to the company is a suckers bet, they have zero loyalty to you, you owe nothing to them.
Exactly, I'm tempted to not even do a two weeks notice and instead cashout my PTO and do a personal vacay
This is the way. Give them as much notice as they give workers when they shut down the jobs and kick us to the curb. Fuck the bosses.
I live in Japan, and it's insane here. I get judged both for changing jobs and spending too much time in deadend ESL jobs with no hope of a promotion. I once got caught off-guard at an interview because it was my first one in 2 years and I'd forgotten that they'd want a reason for why I left a job more than 15 years ago.
That's fucking insane, 15 years I'd be hard pressed to remember anything really
you're laughing. You betrayed your company and you're laughing"Thanks for training me fam, now peace out fuckers I'm getting my bag"
Why did boomers have kids anyway? They all seem to hate us. My dad loves reminding me how he didn't really want kids and how he hated my mom. Why the fuck did you marry and impregnate here then?!?!?!?
that sounds more like a personal issue your dad has possibly linked to societal pressure
I've meet a lot of millennials who say their parents acted annoyed and off put by them, or just flat out say they didn't want them like mine. I've meet boomers who say they hate their kids. I think there is a trend here.
fair enough I have never observed a boomer who I didn't think sincerely loves their kids though so I don't think it's a very common thing
I mean that's good for you.
My dads actually alright for a boomer dad, he just has a big mouth and no filter so will just randomly say insensitive shit that any smarter person would understand is dumb to say. He says he's happy he had kids now but that our mom did kinda bully him into having us initially.
My childhood was mid and my parents were flawed but they weren't abusive or anything. But I have met a lot of boomers who seem to hate their kids and younger people in general.
Do they hate their kids or are they complaining about their kids
The amount of complaining is pretty extreme.
And on several occasions they have just straight up said they hate them.
Really? I wish i could also only encounter these boomers.
Why did boomers have kids anyway? They all seem to hate us.
That is a really good question. Even if they don't say they hate us, the fact that they got theirs and kicked away the ladder, after selling us a bill of goods about college meaning we'll all be set. Then enjoying like 25 years of avacado toast and millenials are killing the x industry bullshit, never asking why we don't actually have houses. Seems like hate to me.
They put their parents in homes and are keeping us from having them. Its fascinating how in virtually one generation they completely broke how families have lived and taken care of each other for like 100,000 years.
Disclaimer: generational stuff is bullshit, and "not all boomers" or whatever random boomer defenders need to here.
Disclaimer: generational stuff is bullshit, and "not all boomers" or whatever random boomer defenders need to here.
People say this, but idk who, and I can't find it myself, but someone here posts stats sometimes that seem to back up the stereotype. Boomers weren't only more right leaning than their kids, but even their parents, apparently the silent generation was more progressive than Boomers.
And while everyone likes to focus on the counter culture of the 60s and 70s, in reality the far right was doing well with the youth back then too. The 70s was actually a great time for young republicans groups. The hippies were anything a reaction to the reactionary tendencies of their peers.
Idk what to blame it one but it does seem this one generation did veer way more regressive than most others.
Idk what to blame it one but it does seem this one generation did veer way more regressive than most others.
They're are material reasons for this. Its just still very shocking and feels very personal if you had the misfortune to have them as parents.
The perception of what is normal to boomers is so extermely abnormal to basically all of humanity. They lived through an exterme anomaly but instead of being aware or greatful, they instead believe that the extreme prosperity and privelege enjoyed by white Americans during that time is actually the norm for all people.
It's a combination of societal norms to get married and have kids and the instinctual drive most people have to have sex (which obviously leads to kids). The societal norm of having kids is likely due to economic concerns because for most of history children would provide free agricultural labour. This will probably slowly shift as having kids is now an economic drain because we don't want kids to work in the mines.
The "Old Boys Club" isn't a profit maximizing decision so we don't do it anymore.
You don't even really hear "teammates" or "employees" anymore. It's "associates" and "Individual Contributor". There is no such thing as a team, we are all just individual and discrete nodes in a collection, but no teams. It's just so slimey that corporations have utterly sandblasted the very idea of teams away from the modern language. Everything is so individuated even things like workplace safety is your responsibility. To me it really shows how utterly alienated we are at work, even alienated from our work. Job hopping is the logical outcome of making everyone a team of 1.
I have mainly the healthcare perspective on horrid corporate cultures, but yes workplace safety in a hospital is insane especially with the cases of abuse and assault I've seen from patients towards healthcare workers, overall that the push towards "picking up extra shifts" and just the combined physical and mentally taxing labor has made me push towards outpatient work cuss fuck getting myself broken by a hospital system that will replace me with a traveler by weeks end if I died.
I think back in their days, staying at a company actually did work out to being paid more whereas it's flipped these days. I've had these same discussions with my boomer parents too.
It's legal, it's normal, people upset about "mercenary" attitudes for fucking jobs should experience being out of money lol ("mercenary" as in going to the highest bidder, not killing for money, lol). They are just mad we are playing their game without their shitty houserules that say to ignore the rules that help us
mercenary
this word technically just refers to being motivated my money or material considerations. Yeah you got me I do my job because I want to be paid a wage
Tbh I only wrote the brackets bc it might look as if I am condoning joining the military for $$$, I don't want to be misunderstood about that
Yeah I have absolutely no qualms about saying ignore your parents, they're completely wrong.
Interviewers do not give a fuck about the length of time you stayed anywhere. They care about solely about skills, experience and whether the personality of the person will fit into whatever culture they have going on. What managers actually give a fuck about is whether or not the new hire will make their life easier or harder, if you clearly come across as someone that will make their life easier they will hire you.
Some interviewers definitely care about length of time at your previous jobs. I interview people for software development jobs and I'm a developer myself. I'm not going to pass up on someone for it or anything, but if a person has left a recent job in less than a year I want to know why. I don't want to spend 3 months getting someone up to speed on our project just to have them leave 3 months later.
For a lot of jobs you're right, no one cares, but for anything with longer training periods, licensing exams, or other upfront costs job hopping is a potential problem
if a person has left a recent job in less than a year I want to know why.
I had to... uhh... take care of a sick family member "full-time" (unsaid: it was myself). I'm a great wage slave, I promise!
Exactly. It's not regarded as a serious point of consideration in interview, in part because there's just 100 bigger priorities to interviewers and in part because the excuses are unquestionable even if they are always bs. Interviewers just have to accept the excuse in all cases because in some of them they might be true and there's so many excuses everywhere it's not worth a strike for them, therefore there is literally no issue with it.
I'm at 8 months, almost 9, and tbh my answer is going to be geared towards "I want to utilize greater aspects of my educational skillset towards project development outside of direct care interactions" or some shit like that
Yeah, that seems reasonable to me. As long as the new job can meet the expectations. I'd expect a follow up about how you can accomplish that unless it's obvious by the type of job or whatever.
job hopping also kills any possibility of union building so no matter what you do you are still being played by capitalist interests. you're not being a fucking rebel by getting 5% more of your surplus value after moving halfway across the country
Yeah it's not rebellion but it does have an upward effect. Be nice if people just stayed put and massively bullied the boss collectively instead of very slightly bullying the boss on their own
If it involves a move, it needs to be for substantial gain of some kind: moving is expensive af with all the fees and time it takes even if the rent/mortgage on the new place is cheaper.
