I saw "MSHEU" in the titles of the current tide of nerd rage videos, guessed it was something monumentally stupid and looked it up

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These reactionary dorks are ruining hating on shitty entertainment slop

  • BelieveRevolt [he/him]
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    11 months ago

    Luke went from novice to being able to challenge Vader in ESB very quickly.

    • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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      There's a take that Vader was growing weaker over the course of the series, both as the job ground him down and his age/infirmities caught up with him. Meanwhile, Luke was coming into his full power over the course of the series and - in the moment when the Emperor threatened Leia - embraced the Dark Side for a moment, juicing him and giving him the edge over Vader.

      That got us to the Emperor clapping and declaring that Luke would make an excellent substitute over Vader, Luke refusing, and Palpatine electrocuting him.

      Of course, all of this was with an eye towards the producer/director's "agenda". The series can't end with the Evil Empire winning or the Hero becoming a Villain or the Super Weapon failing to blow up in a fireball of its own hubris. So Vader decides to turn coat one last time and Luke somehow makes it out alive and then there's a big party back on Endor and even the ghosts show up to tell the heroes what a good job they did.

      Woke. Moralist. Bullshit. If you ask me.

    • doublepepperoni [none/use name]
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      11 months ago

      IIRC she used to be the original male version's sidekick and wore what was essentially a swimsuit for most of that

      • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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        11 months ago

        Yeah, but she's been her own character for a pretty long time

        Albeit still in a swimsuit

  • Feinsteins_Ghost [he/him]
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    11 months ago

    Lot of dudes just flat out little babies when it comes to a woman doing something. Jesus fucking christ.

    Eta - changed a word, likely a bit problematic. My apologies.

    • doublepepperoni [none/use name]
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      11 months ago

      Many of these guys have embarrassing notions about reclaiming "nerd culture" from "normies" who are ruining it

      • GarfieldYaoi [he/him]
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        11 months ago

        Funny, because I always considered them the "normies" that are ruining nerd culture. Before call of duty, they considered gamers uncool losers.

        They quite literally want to gentrify nerd-dom to appeal to white, middle-class, Chrisitian, American tastes and they get angry when there's "freaks" in the fandom. Anything they can't properly infiltrate they'll call cringe like furries that makes all the queerness at the forefront to scare off the normies.

        • doublepepperoni [none/use name]
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          11 months ago

          Around GamerGate I saw several silly diatribes from grown men who whined about having been made fun of in school for liking insert nerd thing here and going all pronounjak-rage about hot girls who would not have given them the time of day when they were in high school getting to appropriate their "culture"

          Equating being bullied for liking Star Trek to being a minority data-laughing

          • GarfieldYaoi [he/him]
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            11 months ago

            "The reason socialism never took root in America is because the American gamer did not see himself as a bullied nerd, but as a temporarily embarrassed jock." - John Steinbeck

            But seriously, it's why I'm trying to slowly but surely replace my gamer identity with learning art and music, because a lot of artists and musicians will consider themselves genuine outcasts and thus be more chill about me being LGBT. "Whoa, mainstream society thinks you're weird? Me too, let's be friends!"

  • Findom_DeLuise [she/her, they/them]
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    Unsurprisingly, this extends to Star Trek now, too. I recently finished slogging through ST: Discovery and I made the mistake of looking at IMDB episode comments. Some of the saltiest crackers I have ever seen, all frothing in unison about "woke garbage." I will never understand CHUD Trekkies.

    Like, there are very valid criticisms to be made about the show, its writing, some of the dubious production decisions (warf-wtf redesign, my-hero worship), and so forth, but rather than engage with any of that, they jump right to "there are feeeeeeemales on the screen that don't make my pp hard." All I fucking wanted in this world was confirmation that someone else watched that season 4 finale episode, saw who was playing the President of United Earth, and laughed their ass off.

    • BelieveRevolt [he/him]
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      11 months ago

      lol, Star Trek was like the original "woke" show with a black character and the first American TV show to have a black and white person kiss.

      disclaimer: I've never watched Star Trek, so all my info comes through random facts.

      • Aryuproudomenowdaddy [comrade/them]
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        I was just complaining about conservative Trek fans to someone a few days ago. They jerk each other off because the guy who invents the warp drive in universe did it for the wealth and prestige it brought him. They never mention that Earth went through a nuclear holocaust and eugenics war before becoming a post scarcity society.

        • daisy
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          11 months ago

          conservative Trek fans

          I loathe those people. To my mind they simply don't understand what Star Trek is truly about. It's not about space battles, or technobabble, or yelling in lieu of good writing, or labyrinthine plots with no conclusion. It's not even about space per se. It's about driving home the message of "If we could just stop brutalizing each other for the goal of acquiring each others' stuff, and just start cooperating in good faith and treating other people with respect, we can accomplish wonders together." Or maybe I'm just old-fashioned about that.

          I think that's why I love Lower Decks. Deep down it has that core of optimism, that spark of hope. The LD characters have some real flaws, but they don't wallow in those flaws. They try to do good. In the very first episode, when we see Mariner planet-side, she's not doing some badass combat shit and trying to show off as some sort of hero. She's smuggling free farming equipment to the locals. Her first priority is making sure their giant-spider-cow-creature is happy and healthy and able to provide milk to those farmers. That was the moment that I realized that the LD writing room really understood Star Trek.

      • daisy
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        11 months ago

        I am a full-scale life-long Trekkie, so I can confirm this. Original Star Trek was very woke, for its day - in some ways. Mostly it was very good on the racial front. It had a Russian bridge officer during the height of the Cold War. It had a Japanese bridge officer when most Americans still had WW2 fresh in their minds. It had a black officers during the tensest part of the civil rights fight - not just Lt. Uhura on the bridge, but guest stars as Starfleet medical doctors, distinguished Federation scientists and diplomats, and other "good guy" characters. That first-televised-interracial kiss kind-of happened - it happened on set, but the camera angle hid the lip contact. Still a good step though.

        Now there's a giant asterisk to all this: original Star Trek was often incredibly sexist. And I don't just mean in terms of wardrobe for women guest stars. For example, it's mentioned in several episodes that there were no women commanding starships in Starfleet, and this was treated as "normal". The final episode involves a bodyswap between Captain Kirk and a woman who was denied a captaincy in Starfleet, and Shatner-as-her plays her as the most awful stereotype of a histrionic irrational woman you can imagine. Uhura's actress was treated poorly by the writing room as the series went on and she got less and less screen time. Women regular and guest stars were not often treated as real people, but as sex objects to simp all over male Starfleet officers.

        Edit: I forgive and accept simping on Spock, either in-universe or in fandom. That combination of physical, emotional, and intellectual power barely contained by sheer force of will is just magnetic. You desperately want to be the one to make them smirk or get flustered or get tongue-tied in your presence. Vulcans are incredibly sexy.

    • GarfieldYaoi [he/him]
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      11 months ago

      I wish everyone a very please gatekeep your hobbies to keep them normie-proof. Furries have the right idea on embracing being "cringe" and CHUD furries are a small, small minority in the fandom as a result.

  • Amerikan Pharaoh@lemmygrad.ml
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    11 months ago

    These reactionary dorks are ruining hating on shitty entertainment slop

    Facts, I threw Marvel and its associated works out when the Pentagon-funded Avengers overwrote the X-Men as 'the' faces of the company for a solid 2 decades. These kyle-assed tylers boutta ruin that statement for me, too

  • PKMKII [none/use name]
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    11 months ago

    There are dozens of valid reasons to pick on the sequel trilogy, but “they had a Force-adept feeeemale in a universe that’s had tons of female Jedi knights before” is so fucking stupid.

      • PKMKII [none/use name]
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        11 months ago

        That’s not true, they gave us Kelleran Beq. And kinda sorta Reva Sevander, but she was never a full-fledged Jedi Knight.

    • AcidSmiley [she/her]
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      11 months ago

      There are dozens of valid reasons to pick on the sequel trilogy

      That's part of why they focus on it so much. When you pick something like Rise of Skywalker or the Ghostbusters remake to nerdrage about, very few people will actually defend the movie. There's the same kind of nerdrage about Mad Max: Fury Road because the fragile masculinity of these dweebs is threatened by literally anything, but the mass hate campaign against that one has never gotten the same amount of propagandistic attention because it's just an excellent movie and getting hot and bothered about it makes these gamergate leftovers look too much like the disingenuous mysogynist turds that they are.

        • BelieveRevolt [he/him]
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          It's unbelievable to me that TheQuartering is still around with the same old schtick, I'm assuming most of these guys either gave up the "anti-SJW" thing* or followed it to its logical conclusion and became nazis.

          *Not necessarily because they outgrew it, but because it wasn't getting the metrics it used to

          • Riffraffintheroom [none/use name]
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            11 months ago

            Yeah I came to comment about this. It's so weird that in ten years there's just been no change at all in these guys. Their beliefs, their humor, their presentation style, everything is exactly as it was at the peak of their relevency. I feel like the online left has evolved, fragmented and evolved again several times over along with every other facet of internet culture over the same time period.

        • AcidSmiley [she/her]
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          11 months ago

          You can't really expect these people to show character growth.

          • UlyssesT [he/him]
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            11 months ago

            Their political ideology, at its core, is "everything must be exactly the way that it was when I felt invincible and safe as a child" so stagnation is to be expected. pronouns

      • UlyssesT [he/him]
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        11 months ago

        Mad Max Fury Road was just about perfect. It did pretty much everything right. Unless someone outright dislikes the basic setting of the movie or its premise which I would find understandable, I'd find someone sus if they said they hated Fury Road.

        • AcidSmiley [she/her]
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          11 months ago

          My only criticism of Fury Road is that in spite of having a score produced by Junkie XL and featuring a flamethrowing guitar player tied to the front of a truck with bungee cords, the score is basically just a ripoff from Michael Bay movies. It's a classic example of how temp music makes all movies sound the same. You see, nowadays editing is usually done to already existing movie scores wich are used as a "temporary" score and then the directors frequently become unwilling to change it and demand that the actual score matches the temp editing as closely as possible.

          That's the only bad thing i can say about it. It's still a masterpiece, but that's its single flaw.

          • UlyssesT [he/him]
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            11 months ago

            You're right. I forgot how forgettable the soundtrack was. sadness

    • GarfieldYaoi [he/him]
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      11 months ago

      Give it 11 years and gen alpha CHUDs will be whining that the newest protagonist in Star Wars is woke for being "forced feeemale representation" and then they'll point out, "why can't they be more like Rey?"

  • GarfieldYaoi [he/him]
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    11 months ago

    Rey.

    Ok, this part just proves how hypocritical they are. These are the idiots that fucking loved Kylo Ren and thought he was the coolest character ever. They whined and whined on Twitter to the point where the writers forced a redemption arc. They saw themselves in Kylo Ren and got made that an icky cootie-haver canonically kicked his ass in the original. You could have criticized the sequels for being completely derivative, literally and figuratively recycling villains.

    After their gamergate victory, they've gotten WAY too confident and now they don't even realize they're the ones taking everything as a personal attack on their gender.

    • laziestflagellant [they/them]
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      11 months ago

      There were chud Kylo Ren fans? I saw a lot of dudes really mad that he was so emotional, weepy and therefore emasculated.

      The fact that a lot of women liked him (either for said emotional weepy tendencies, his dynamic with Rey, or his dynamic with that red haired First Order guy) also seemed to be a strike against him

      • usernamesaredifficul [he/him]
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        11 months ago

        a lot of women liked him (either for said emotional weepy tendencies, his dynamic with Rey, or his dynamic with that red haired First Order guy)

        being played by Adam Driver probably didn't hurt

  • UlyssesT [he/him]
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    11 months ago

    When the average treatbrained chud whines about feeemale characters being too flawless, they tend to have no such concerns for their favorite grizzled-white-man-dragging-a-weapon-around characters whose primary flaw is "is too awesome/powerful in ways that make inferior people dislike them."

    • spacecadet [he/him]
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      11 months ago

      Those men are kinda sad tho so actually they are very nuanced

      • UlyssesT [he/him]
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        But it's a curse to be le sexy to le feeemales when you collect sexy sex trading cards of them, especially because the curse also means no risk of child support payments so-true

  • ashinadash [she/her]
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    11 months ago

    All movies made by Disney suck now

    "Now"... you been payin' attention?

  • BelieveRevolt [he/him]
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    11 months ago

    I wonder what the "WOMEN!??? rage-cry" chuds think of Mara Jade btw, she was pretty Mara Suey kelly and there's probably a sizable overlap between those nerds and the nerds who hate Disney for making that part of the franchise non-canon.

    • 🎀 Seryph (She/Her)@lemmygrad.ml
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      11 months ago

      Prior to reading the Thrawn Trilogy I was one of those "wow she's so cool" types from just hearing about her backstory on forums. But as soon as I read the books I disliked Mara since I feel like she's two cool characters combined into one far less cool character. Specifically I think the Pirate and Emperor's Hand bits feel weird together. It's pretty telling that when people describe her they tend to entirely focus on the Emperor's Hand-turned-Luke gf stuff and ignore the entire pirate plotline. So I think she'd be a stronger character if she was just one of the two. Preferably the pirate gf because I think Luke dating a pirate is very funny.

      (Also doesn't help that I read them when TFA was new. So seeing all the "Rey is a Mary Sue" criticisms coming from accounts I had previously seen praise Mara was giving me whiplash since Mara is far worse on that front. Although I wouldn't criticise her for that since I hate using the term due to the sexist connotations)

    • doublepepperoni [none/use name]
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      11 months ago

      But Mara Jade hot

      Also, didn't she start out as a Dark Side character that got defeated and redeemed by Luke before becoming his wife? They probably prefer that sort of story

      • daisy
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        11 months ago

        If my memory is right, she actually wasn't highly trained in the Force by the Emperor - deliberately so, so that she wouldn't be a threat to him. She was trained just enough to improve her intuition and long-range telepathy to be a more effective agent. She sort of had a toe dipped into the dark side, rather than full-scale immersion.

        • doublepepperoni [none/use name]
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          11 months ago

          She was still the hot action babe that fell in love with the audience insert which is what Star Wars fans in the 90s responded to

  • Timberknave
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    11 months ago

    I have no comments except snide distain for chuddy crybabies

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