or are they really only just capable of repeating the same tired old buzzwords and talking points?
They don't have to think or put in any effort, anti-communism is the default opinion in the core. The idea that communists are just as bad as nazis has been drilled into people's minds by everything from big serious pundits to Disney movies. All anti-communists has to do to look like they're right is to go with the flow.
And this is why the CIA pushed an unbelievable yet nice and round number (100 million) for how many communism "killed". It's so ridiculously high that any action taken against capitalism is justified no matter if millions in Korea, Vietnam, etc are killed... because the gommunists would have killed even more!
The "Victims of Communism" op counts Nazis killed in WWII and the victims of Covid as "victims of communism". This is ridiculous the moment you scratch the surface.
And then you have capitalism who gets a free pass every time despite a blood soaked history of colonialism, fascism, warfare and exploitation. PMC's in air conditioned office towers are doing fine, so capitalism can't be a murderous system.
I've been trying to popularise this amongst the left (actual left not synthetic left i.e. those that demand as the lowest bar for "being left" the absolute and complete destruction of Western imperialism and Western capitalism. Not the synthetic left labour aristocrats that try to "both sides" shit when it comes to Russia/China/Iran/Western enemy it wants to balkanize and destroy for new markets), is that we should all be learning from effective conservative tactics and particularly Roger Stone, whose philosophy is Never defend, Attack, Attack, Attack.
Some clown brings up the wildly discredited black book of communism "100 million dead under gommies" bring up the fact that British capitalism is responsible for 1.8 billion indian deaths alone so surely 100 million dead from every communist country in the 20th century is a million times better than 1 capitalist nation? If they change tack point out under the metrics of that defined "100 million dead" India achieves that every 20 years.
Another clown brings up Xinjiang (a recent topic) point out that the US has starved 27 million Yemenis in a completely manmade famine which is over double the population of Xinjiang so why don't they shut their fucking mouth and focus on a problem they can at least pressure their government about.
They bring up the falsified "slaves picking cotton in Xinjiang" (an obviously emotionally charged call to USians given US particular history) point out how come they have no problem with slave children farming chocolate in the Ivory Coast, the fact that Thai slaves are pumped full of amphetamines and tied to the prows of boats and pulled apart if they disobey orders, or how come they have no problem with the child slaves of the Congo mining coltan for their mobile phones and laptops?
Bring up the fact that only 2 years the US army was bombing the Uyghurs in the East Turkestan Islamic Movement which the US designated as terrorists up until this year.
You can adjust your honesty, disingenuous, vitriol and disgust at liberals and conservatives with depending on how dishonest and disingenuous they're being but leftists should understand that even the "well meaning liberals" that at least pretend to be based in reality are in fact disingenuous, disgusting gaslighting pieces of shit and you should have no moral qualm about being as disingenuous, flexible with reality or gaslighting in return.
In for a penny in for a pound.
These lib and conservative disgusting pieces of shit that now pretend to care about muslim lives in Xinjiang (definitely the human rights they care about and not the geopolitical rivalry opening up between West and China) remind them that they said nothing whilst the US sanctioned Iraq to the point half a million children died in Iraq and the US secretary of state went on TV to tell people "it was worth it" and that they have literally murdered millions of muslims since they began funding the head chopping jihadis in the 80s where Osama Bin Laden built up his networks in the Muhajadeen.
You don't owe these people anything and you should start viewing how you interact with them as a game for your entertainment.
credit to JoeySteel of hexbear
He was banned from c/main and he stopped posting after that. Main is dead but JoeySteel is nowhere to be found.
He said he's happier shitposting on reddit in the r/europeansocialist larp group.
While the overall larp group has their shitty moments, I keep him separated from their dumbshittery on the grounds that if he does share any of their shit views he's vastly more smarter than them in keeping his mouth shut on those issues.
Well he seems to be posting some transphobic stuff in there. Disappointing to see that from him.
you should start viewing how you interact with them as a game for your entertainment.
mega-cringe
We should compile a big list of mass deaths that occurred under capitalism.
This Hakim video is a good summary, but something in text to dump around would be good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClLKm8Q8Pns
Whenever you mention any word related to socialism or communism it's like a little light turns on in their head with an alarm going WEEWOO WEEWOO COMMIE ALERT and that's when their brain turns off and they just regurgitate every debunked anti-communist argument ever one after the other until you decide to give up. I've gotten staunch anti-communists to agree with me just by never mentioning the word communism or socialism lmao
They’re capable of thought, but are often too comfortable and don’t have a material interest in challenging the propaganda they’ve ingested.
Of course they are
Their internal script has just been written over with propaganda
Sometimes it's easier to overcome and sometimes it's harder
Just got to remember when it's worthwhile to argue and when it's smarter to pull out
Or when it's a good idea to drop a :PIGPOOPBALLS:
Oh, I actually never bother to argue with any of them. The shit talking points I mostly just come across by browsing other stuff, so it's mostly second-hand(?) than direct. (I'm generally a non-confrontational person I think)
I say this mostly out of frustration because god am I sick of hearing the same old garbage being repeated by dipshits who think they're being so damn clever.
yes it's reddit... but r/ShitLiberalsSay is therapeutic sometimes when I'm feeling that way
Oh you know what I'm talking about right?
Iphone, Venezuela, 1984, democracy, freedom, gulags, 100 billion dead. That kinda stuff.
Wario may be a dirty plundering imperialist, but at least he goes and gets the treasure himself. He doesn't make a bunch of exploited workers do it and then take all the credit.
Yeah, but the difference comes when something new happens. Libs tend to just parrot establishment talking points while communists actually make a attempt at material analysis.
On the topic of like "capitalism" as a whole, yeah, but that's because nothing's fucking changed in 150 years.
cringe post. the problem is the people are very selfish, cynical, or defeated, not that they are stupid.
some of them are even rather clever, if you can believe that
I think it's because anti-communism is a hegemonic belief. Anti-communism is something that is shared by all the 'respectable' academics, political analysts, celebrities, etc. Therefore communism is seen as unworthy of debate, so it's useless learning anything more than a strawman. If communism becomes more popular I think its opponents will be forced to come up with better counter-arguments
I guess I shoulda probably worded my question better.
What I ultimately meant by this is: Are anti-communists able to form any argument against communism that isn't just the same tired old cliches? It really feels like it all just boils down to that Iphone Venezuela 100 billion dead meme. Like straight up, do they have literally anything else to say?
No because communism would win on those terms.
So, by definition, anti communists have to fall back on misdirection, misleads, and outright lies.
If all else fails then "communism good on paper not in real life" ends the thought process for most watching the argument go down.
Anti-communism is inherently irrational, so the arguments are also that way lol.
If you're debating an anti-comm you've already lost basically. Better off giving them a wedgie and moving on.
Are Hexbear users capable of making good posts?
Or do they just circlejerk for upbears?
is there an online document somewhere for quick and effective rebuttals to anticomm or libertarian arguments?
absolutely not, you just just engage them like they're children. When push comes to shove they will all flock to our case regardless
