"scheming assholes at the local club have stopped inviting me to club events after i left the club".
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You left the EU bruh
Funniest future would be if Scotland and Northern Ireland left the United Kingdom and joined the EU lmao
I was attempting to lathe that back during brexit and I'm still trying to lathe it today. Just want the eu to let Ireland dom England for once, it's all I need.
NI has a path through rejoining the rest of the nation, but Spain is likely to throw a wrench in the works of a newly independent Scotland joining out of anti-Catalan sentiment.
It would be cool to see the UK just become England as the sole K though.
Watch England try to send in an application to be the 51st state in the US. You know damn well so many gammons there just dream of becoming Americans.
Is there a lot of pro-Catalan sentiment in Scotland that I was unaware of? Or is it them just opposing states breaking away from larger states to avoid giving Catalan the same opportunity?
To be fair, Ingerlanders didn't vote to just leave the EU. They just voted to leave all the obligations and limitations, not to leave all the benefits and rights.
Nah the UK would sooner kill everyone in those regions than let them be independent. They're vassals.
The UK has wanted rid of NI for 60 years at least. The troubles kicked off significantly due to the UK govt's ham fisted attempts to divest themselves of it.
According to legend we have the Irish Reunification of 2024 coming up. Maybe it'll happen.
Inside me there are two wolves. One thinks the EU is a horrible imperialist tool for enforcing neoliberal orthodoxy. The other one thinks it is hilarious to see British gammons throw tantrums about no longer enjoying the practical benefits of EU membership after having left the EU.
It's like when chuds complain about US funding for NATO. Like, by all means, dismantle a mechanism for laundering US power projection. Let's stop funding Radio Free Asia next, those bastards haven't been revenue neutral since they were founded.
Let's get rid of NED, and NATO, and defund the 'woke' Pentagon, and
The thing is in Britain especially you still get all the neoliberal orthodoxy except now you've also got rid of the EUs human rights convention and seeing how their dumbass country's basic laws are founded on ass-pulls like time immemorial, a tapestry and 800 year old contracts they've absolutely fucked themselves out of all the good parts of the EU while retaining all the bad parts of the EU
Exiting the EU to not do neoliberalism is one thing, exiting the EU to do even more neoliberalism is just kneecapping yourself
I didn't know this project existed. Apparently they first planned it in 1990, and they still haven's started building it to this day.
Classic neoliberal short-term goalist hellhole, please Xi come and save us.
The joke of the entire EU project. Two dozen countries all yelling at each other any time someone in one of them tries to make things nicer.
The Brits complaining about this is extra funny, given how they gutted HS2 just last month.
To be fair around half of EU wide transportation programs are basically everyone sitting on finished infrastructure that ends at the german border as this country has become absolutely incapable of building anything but autobahn
I've been a strong proponent of abolishing Germany for a long time, but never stronger than after reading this.
Massive flex. They should do a faroe island one just to ram the point home.
It's gotta be a sea route, like a ferry or something. Can't imagine it being a train
the british empire is over, the uk is not important any more, anglos get over it challenge
Wasn’t the UK govt also complaining about their tax money going into funding EU projects like this?
How are they going to transport their sex arses if the EU excludes them from infrastructure plans?
"Shit, I'm sorry, I didn't realize that voting for the guy who ran on a platform of publicly eating live puppies was, in fact, going to publicly eat live puppies."
Here's the monthly hexbear yankee weirdly pro-eu post
Hope every country leaves the EU
Edit: And the weirdly pro-eu communist replies
The EU is a neoliberal abomination. Leaving the EU to get blue passports and do more racism is not going to improve things though. European countries are too small to be on their own against the powers of capital as the rapid dismantling of living standards for common people in Terf Island post-Brexit shows. It seems like the viable alternative to the EU is some kind of pro-worker European community that doesn't exist yet.
Leaving the EU to get blue passports and do more racism is not going to improve things though. European countries are too small to be on their own against the powers of capital as the rapid dismantling of living standards for common people in Terf Island post-Brexit shows.
That's not the only thing leaving the EU allows for, anything that happens in the UK now is entirely the fault of UK politicians, there's not the EU scapegoat (which is a real scapegoat) anymore which means brits are in a better position to actually change things politically and exercise their sovereignty than any EU country, and that dismantling of standards that is happening in the UK is happening elsewhere in the EU too, except here in EU countries politics can't actually be about changing that since it explicitly means going against european institutions.
It seems like the viable alternative to the EU is some kind of pro-worker European community that doesn't exist yet.
Yeah, which is not the EU. I'm just being facetious when I say I hope everybody leaves I know it's more complicated than leaving and staying, but what the comments here told me is that some, hopefully not european, leftists really think the european working class is better off with the EU than they would be if they fought it. SAD!!!
I grant that there is an argument to be made for the accelerationist potential of Brexit. We have seen some really impressive strikes and I wouldn't be surprised if more and more Brits are losing faith in the Westminster parties being able and willing to improve things.
Good things could come from this but declining standards of living, a sclerotic and undemocratic political system combined with emboldened racism also has the potential to lead to fascism.
there's not the EU scapegoat (which is a real scapegoat) anymore
Yeah, it's a scapegoat, and it will continue to be a scapegoat for the exact same reasons - see article above
Doesn't disprove my point, the government can still blame the EU all it wants it won't work as well as it does in EU countries
anything that happens in the UK now is entirely the fault of UK politicians, there's not the EU scapegoat
huh?
If in, say, Portugal you want to invest more in healthcare (or apply any radical policy) the government can say "the european comission won't approve this budget so we can't do this!", and that's true, the budget would get rejected by the EC and you'd have to come up with a new one, and since "the EU is always right" in countries like these everyone will just bow their heads and go "ok guess the government can't do this thing everyone wants them to do" this is how european politics actually work
Now if you remove the EU, which is an untouchable far-away institution, you have your national government, which is a closer less-untouchable institution.
Now if you remove the EU, which is an untouchable far-away institution, you have your national government, which is a closer less-untouchable institution.
Which can still blame things on those darned eurocrats and their disdain for the island of albion, as seen above and in other examples. Do we have different definitions of what a scapegoat is? I understand it as an entity that isn't at fault for whatever bad thing but is made to look like one
If in, say, Portugal you want to invest more in healthcare (or apply any radical policy) the government can say "the european comission won't approve this budget so we can't do this!", and that's true, the budget would get rejected by the EC and you'd have to come up with a new one, and since "the EU is always right" in countries like these everyone will just bow their heads and go "ok guess the government can't do this thing everyone wants them to do" this is how european politics actually work
The EU has pretty much zilch enforcement mechanisms for anything. Any they do have is political power, not bureaucratic power.
Any they do have is political power
YES THAT'S WHY IT'S INSANE FOR COMMUNISTS TO BE DEFENDING IT LIKE THIS.
If it shoots down the budget a pro-eu government will always respect that decision because the pro-eu population (which is the majority in EVERY EU country) will agree with that, and if they don't they'll blame the EU and not their governments, so it's always a useful scapegoat.
Political power matters and that "any power" is doing a lot, you haven't dealt with this people, the EU is the chief obstacle for there to be a working class political movement in europe, and defending it because you're an "antifascist" is insane.
I was thinking that last paragraph was unfair misrepresentation, then I read two more comments…
The EU is crap but it not existing isn't the better alternative tbh. I think way more EU countries would fall to fascism if the EU stopped existing, I'd take neoliberal bureaucrats over my local fascists any time.
On the flip side, consider how far the rest of the world advanced after Europe imploded itself in the 20th century. Perhaps we'd all be better off if the EU imploded again and the US followed thereafter.
You are completely wrong, this is equivalent to supporting the democrats and "anti-fascistly" voting for biden.
I mean, yeah kinda. I'd rather live under liberalism than under fascism, I'm not an accelerationist.
I'm sorry brother when I see you use those 3 words in the same sentence I can't help but feel like politics is just an internet game to you, you're not an "accelerationist" you're probably nothing. Good luck
So uh what am I to do here exactly to be the One True Leftist in Europe according to you? My only local real leftist org is kinda crap (I've seen for myself), leftism in Europe in general is extremely weak, save for Greece and maybe France, and that's a big maybe.
If EU liberalism gets deposed it's not gonna get any better here and my life and the lives of many of my loved ones is gonna get a lot worse, why the fuck would I cheer that on exactly?
I'm not telling you what to do I'm telling you you're wrong about the EU "stopping fascism"
My only local real leftist org is kinda crap
But if I WERE telling you what to do, I'd say join that one and hopefully talk to people in real life. It's better than thinking about things like "accelerationism"
I'm not telling you what to do I'm telling you you're wrong about the EU "stopping fascism"
It's not stopping fascism, it's just a better state of affairs than fascism, literally the "lesser evil". Stop putting words in my mouth.
But if I WERE telling you what to do, I'd say join that one and hopefully talk to people in real life.
I did. Some people were cool, some sucked, the org itself is irreparably poisoned by petty infighting tho.
It's better than thinking about things like "accelerationism"
Maybe do something similar yourself instead of tut-tutting people about not posting enough
emojis on hexbear.netIt's not stopping fascism, it's just a better state of affairs than fascism, literally the "lesser evil". Stop putting words in my mouth.
Oh I'm sorry I didn't realize you were making a a "lesser evil" argument, very astute point I'll defend the EU (hitler's wet dream) now as the only alternative to fascism
Maybe do something similar yourself instead of tut-tutting people about not posting enough emojis on hexbear.net
Very silly thing to say, I don't care about emojis I replied to opinions here which I disagreed with, if I had agreed with them I wouldn't have
Ah so you're just being a pissy debatebro over my choice of words, got it. Take care.
Not a debatebro just disagreed with you and replied because I think you're wrong. You take care too
They always have. Doesn't mean they're not preferable to the actual fascists considering how abysmal the state of the left is in the EU right now.
It is objectively funny when right wing people get the thing they asked for and then complain about it.
irrelevant, are they the ones that drove it forward, or the ones currently yapping?
Living on terf island I couldn't agree more. Fuck the EU, soft brexit would've been fine. Like, not great but still not the living hell that has been occurring since hard brexit.
Either way destruction of the EU is a prerequisite to socialism in europe. It literally exists to be neoliberal and prevent it.
Tbf it was much easier for the UK to leave the EU since they still had their own currency, it will be much harder for countries that took the euro.
Yep. But it's either that or perpetual austerity, were I greek in 2015 I would've taken the temporary catastrophe over the infinite suffering
On one hand, Corbyn was right to oppose EU as it is an undemocratic neoliberal mess. On the other hand, Jezza's purged and Brexit just means more undemocratic neoliberal mess anyways.
It's pretty clear imo that a left version of Brexit was never on the table. Labour would never have let Corbyn do anything anyway.
manifesting this shit so fucking hard
