The story is only going to get worse as more information comes out in the next few days.
This is an account from someone who saw people dying and tried to stop the concert, only to be told "gtfo, we're tryna make money here" as people scream for their lives, and drop dead, around her:
https://twitter.com/speedyred711/status/1456913478879432704?t=e3FXNhHrW83rCACeThNQsw&s=19
Here's a vid of her hopping on stage:
https://twitter.com/helowkeyspittin/status/1456893054384844802?t=L9gZT-DcOgw1huq9NizhuQ&s=19
I also present videos I gathered from Twitter. Some of these are NSFW, and include medics giving CPR to people who are passed out and/or dead:
https://twitter.com/LinaHidalgoTX/status/1456884063768301569?t=EywCKtXWqHGDWS8ezxFMLw&s=19
https://twitter.com/helowkeyspittin/status/1456891027130880000?t=PUoHs5_YEC1BogJLGztcAg&s=19
https://twitter.com/redblacc/status/1456919916926361608?t=gZG8dJGaBOYGzYNOyHXItg&s=19
https://twitter.com/ChaudharyParvez/status/1456918853800267776?t=WE4GVH23zimZN81zn0iqXg&s=19
https://twitter.com/LMFireSystems1/status/1456893701834293254?t=rG8HAPUNl93uIVxiLtO5Qg&s=19
https://twitter.com/helowkeyspittin/status/1456895045894803458?t=rj6EbBBkvDHCOa4t8QStbw&s=19
https://twitter.com/mvmo___/status/1456870414530064385?t=iGY1TCjCdUyewVJZPynG9w&s=19
https://twitter.com/cozyboycutz/status/1456888060944203776?t=ZIPpvObRfsA96NLGhWQe1A&s=19
Travis literally glances at paramedics giving some guy CPR and keeps going. And all the sociopaths next to the paredmedics who keep dancing like nothing's happening what the fuck???
I don't place all the blame at Travis' feet tbh, it's hard to know wtf is going on when you're up there with lights blinding you and thousands of people screaming - but SURELY someone on staff could have let him know, or rushed the stage/mic and let EVERYONE know.
Edit: Also, when you're regularly playing stadiums of tens of thousands of people, one person passed out/fainting/or in a rarer case getting CPR isn't super unusual, and security will quickly pick them up. Once it's two or three getting CPR, that's a red flag, but you'd expect someone to communicate to you through your earpiece that shit's whack and to shut the show down.
Yeah... staff at the event + the (lack of) organisation/planning seem to be the real issue. Fucking sucks, some of the people who've passed were so young
yea I was thinking that too. the performer's mind is on performing, you can't be doing that and thinking about how to make judgement calls at the same time.
the staff and most importantly whoever set it up to that density, definitely at fault
Yeah, that's on the staff. My friends played a show where people were getting stabbed in the crowd and they couldn't tell and it was maybe 100 people there.
Some of the scenes from the entrance to the event remind me of the football English fans from earlier this year at the Euroes. Jfc
Yep. Though nobody died at those events, because presumably, and reasonably, "breaches" were accounted for.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillsborough_disaster
but wait it gets better
In the following days and weeks, South Yorkshire Police (SYP) fed the press false stories suggesting that hooliganism and drunkenness by Liverpool supporters had caused the disaster.
Also let's not forget the contributions of the British press, especially the S*n
Well that's after several HORRIFYING mass deaths involving English football fans
This is actually a somewhat common occurrence and is usually because organizers oversell way past feasible venue capacity, I almost passed out during a Gorillaz concert in a festival because I wasn't getting enough air. As a seasoned concert goer, I learned to just not go to certain concerts/festivals organized by specific companies because I knew it would be jam-packed beyond what's reasonable. Always go to concerts with a friend too, if possible.
It should be illegal to sell multi-day passes to concerts like this.
Everyone is going to come out the first night. Travis Scott sold 100k tickets to this concert in 30 minutes for a venue that shouldn't even be holding 30k.
What companies/orgs are on your black list? I've only ever been to one rave (and I'd like to go to more) so I don't know who I should avoid.
I'm not US based, so I don't think this will be useful to you in any way, but OCESA, Grupo CIE some shitty front called Live Talent are fucking awful, Noiselab depends on venue. It's more of a whitelist at this point though. I'm not sure about raves either, but you should at least google what they've organized in the past. As a rule of thumb, major festivals (so not raves) are usually the ones that sell over capacity like Coachella or Lollapalooza, if they have very big headliners, they're probably overselling. If you're unsure about a crowd, try to not be in front and for god's sake don't go alone to ANY rave or concert.
I've never in my life understood the appeal of concerts. Yes, I want to pay half a month's wages to go crowd in the muck with hundreds of people that I don't know and listen to shittier versions of songs that I can get at home for free, at volumes that will give me tinnitus, with the threat of death by trampling and/or mass shooting hanging over the whole affair.
Back in the day underground venues were sparsely populated for many genres.
I remember in the late 1990's going to raves which still had chill out rooms filled with couches. Now you are lucky to find a single open seat anywhere.
Bit too young and a bit too exurbs to have been around for the 90s rave scene, but that does sound like an improvement over the sea of people passed out in a muddy field or crammed together like sardines in an overpacked bar that have been my few concert-going experiences.
Then you haven't been to any good shows. I've never been to a big concert like this, or a festival, but you'd be surprised how good some local bands can be.
live music, big or small, is great.
Is it really "live music" if most of the song is synthetic sounds/samples? Dj basically plays recorded stuff in loud speakers, right?
Let me ask you this: where else is it socially acceptable to play your music at full volume?
On top of that, you get to experience it with like-minded individuals. At metal gigs you can launch yourself into complete strangers, but instead of kicking your teeth in they'll laugh and push you back. At a show, you can dance unimpeded; you need not fear looking silly, because no-one is focusing on you; and besides, that's what gigs are for.
100 person punk venues are a different beast from outdoor music festivals. Festivals just sound like the worst experience in the world.
live music is the only communally transcendent experience I've ever had, it's the best thing in the world.
The ones I go to are five bucks and in a basement. They're better.
exactly lol, 15 other scared indie kids trying not to make eye contact is the vibe for me
shittier versions of songs
Depends on the concert. I don't actually go to any myself (I think I've been taken to some as a kid by my parents, but I only have vague memories of that), but I've watched/listened to some concert recordings (proper ones, where the band actually has a professional recording setup), specifically of a few jazz fusion bands I like, and the live performances are definitely a different experience. I guess jazz is particularly suited to this as a genre with emphasis on improvisation though, perhaps this wouldn't really apply for all genres.
And a jazz crowd would probably be too small to crush you.
It helps to have friends to go with who like the same musician.
It's also possible to go and not be in such a densely packed crowd. I've never had this problem in the lawn sections of outdoor venues, nor in arena/stadium seats, nor in the local shows at dive bars here in Austin.
Lawn section is where it’s at. I have people I love driving in the car for extended periods of time with. We find bands we like that aren’t super big but are just big enough to play venues with lawn seating. So the tickets are nice and cheap. And then we basically go have a picnic while we listen to music. Just make a day of it and get to see all the antics that bands get up to at live shows. Panic at the Disco tickets have gotten steep over the last few albums, but Brendan Urie is consistently such a crazy showman. 21 Pilots is also known for an insane live show. You ever seen a drummer crowdsurf while still playing? Because 21 Pilots used to do that.
It’s probably bougie of me, but my partner and I started following this local funk fusion band who mostly plays park festivals and wineries around here. Real specific niche. All the burned out hippies and their contact high grandkids are in attendance. But because of the venues they’re not super loud and there’s almost always plenty of room. And the band themselves is soooo good. It’s almost all originals and each song has its own character with a great hook and their playing is so tight. I could rant for a while about them.
I went to a single "concert" in my entire life, it was an underground concert in which a few friends of mine played with their band. It was okay-ish.
I will break that rule if Rammstein ever comes back to Argentina, sure it'll be densely packed and all but these guys always put up a great show. Also it's Rammstein, my favorite band so .
probably would help if I actually had friends who enjoyed the same music as me but yeah tbh just give me the high quality studio recording
It's about "the energy".
As I read about it, people in a crowd undergo a phenomenon called "ego loss". What happens is you stop being you and you become part of the crowd, and somehow this is fulfilling to a certain type of human.
The kind of human who got on top of an ambulance and danced while it was on its way to rescue victims. And then jumped off and launched his heavy 200lb ass into the middle of a crowd. Because it felt good!
Just some more snapshots from the decay. Also isn't there a pandemic going on right now?
Uhmmm sweaty that was last year, I’m feeling #blessed to be enjoying my post-pandemic lifestyle
(To paraphrase basically everyone I work with)
In some clips you can see concert goers dancing on top of an ambulance trying to get to people who are injured. Surely, at that point, you shut down the show? JFC.
Anybody who values their vibe over human life should get shot.
The narcissism that capitalism necessitates & breeds means that so many people are like this. It's basically the default, at least in the West, imo.
I think that's a cop car not an ambulance — it's way too short
Edit: nvm just got to it
That story from the first girl gave me feelings I didn't know were possible
https://twitter.com/speedyred711/status/1456913478879432704?t=e3FXNhHrW83rCACeThNQsw&s=19I've seen gigabytes' worth of gore videos and people dying/murdered, piles of corpses etc
but her words make me feel unholy things. The part where it struck me was this:"One person fell, or collapsed...Once one fell, a hole opened in the ground. It was like watching a Jenga tower topple. Person after person were sucked down."
"I was pushed away from the rail, into the crowd of people, where I could hear shrieks from another direction. It was happening all around me. These sinkholes of people. I was moved back towards the sinkhole I started at and was pushed to the edge of it"When I read that, I realized it's like an hourglass with each person being a grain of sand. As one collapses, the hole is like a "vacuum" due to everyone pushing for lack of space, and the people are functionally sucked in.
and everyone is blissfully unaware of what's happening as they trample you to death
and the ones being trampled are the LUCKY ones, it's the ones underneath them, bearing the weight of multiple bodies which were sucked through the same "sinkhole", who physically cannot expand their lungs against the weight of 2 people AND the crowd trampling upon those 2 people--those are the corpses that were blue and had no pulse for15 minutes that the paramedics were talking about.
nothing mayo lovecraft writes can top this stuff
Don't read the hashtag, it's super fucked. I didn't know Travis Scott was like a Fortnite skin and a happy meal toy, so there were kids there, there's talk of kids as young as 10 dying. There's some reddit post from a doctor who claims there was untrained medical staff on call who didn't know wtf they were doing, lots of teenagers performing CPR on each other, lots of people talking of barely making it alive, a nurse who passed out and once she woke up on the med rent, she was recruited into giving first aid because of the lack of staff, it's just unbelievable.
Don’t read the hashtag, it’s super fucked.
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and apparently, the 10 year old kid didn't die, but was injured. And the official death count is still at 8. Although it's probably fake and being repressed by the police
When I think about the physics/spatials of it...if they had simply done away with those rows of space between the rails--so that the entire audience was one huge mass--then you easily could've had thousands of people dead instead of dozens
I’ve been in one where a couple people fall in one direction and it’s like dominoes. Luckily it was small and not as crowded as this fest but you’re really at the mercy of the crowd if you end up falling with it.
Humans in an overpacked crowd like that become like a fluid, and obey all rules of fluid dynamics.
It's not "trampling" that kills. It is having your chest compressed by the crowd crush that prevents you from breathing. Any journalist who reports a "stampede" is an uneducated piece of shit.
I'm looking forward to how the online right frames this! :agony-4horsemen:
From Twitter it's already clear the angles they're taking:
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"Most deaths caused by laced drugs, kids taking drugs = it's their own fault."
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"Trampling/stampede deaths caused by too many people in the stadium. Too many people in the stadium because of people who broke into the stadium earlier in the day, characterized as "animals", "removed", "youths of today", etc."
Edit: People did break into the stadium earlier today. It's happened at both this, and many other concerts, in the past, without deaths. It should be accounted for by the planners and is not an excuse for their absolute failure.
At the moment they're defending Travis Scott and the event organizers. Expect this to change when they find a vaguely anti-fascist tweet Travis Scott made 7 years ago.
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"brown people and zoomers caused this, never happens anywhere else"
well it is good that lady tried to stop the show she was just telling that to some random cameraman who can't really make that call. His boss who he could call probably can't make that call either because he likely works for a different company than the actual concert organizers. just bringing this up because Twitter is already trying to "hold the cameraman accountable" when really people need to look at the concert organizers. Goes to show how quickly things can get out of hand with communications break down.
When shit like this happens I imagine these pictures showing up in a textbook in the FALGSC future commenting on the collapse of the USA.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CVgGYfjPFpr/
It sold out but Travis Scott “finessed” some more tickets. He actually might be getting massively sued or criminal charges for this one.
Just saw that the organizers are trying to spread a rumor of a crazed lunatic who somehow injected dozens of people in the crowd with a deadly poison. Like holy shit who the fuck is gonna fall for that?
https://twitter.com/TMZ/status/1457007561148936193?t=LWX2JzPJTvC25zxFkCsQ_A&s=19
I’m going to my first show in over 3 years on Sunday and it’s outdoors. Getting nervous thinking about this.
Keep your eye on escape routes and trust your gut if the crowd seems to gets out of hand.
Will do. I usually like to go closer to the stage but people have been out of control since Covid restrictions ended.
Stay by the exits, or at least far enough away from the front that you can escape.
Obv it's all horrible but holy fuck, the sea of phones obstructing people's view of the stage all to record shitty videos that will never be watched again infuriates the living fuck out of me
