• TemporalMembrane [she/her]
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    4 years ago

    From the thread:

    Imagine you're a subsistence farmer.

    This means your job is backbreaking work for 16 hours per day, no weekends off, and your entire family dies if it's a dry season.

    Now, imagine a sweatshop moves into down where it's 14 hours of work per day and your family lives in any season.

    You have not been forced to work at the sweatshop, you choose to work there because its a better option.

    Now, someone from a much richer nation comes in and says you're being exploited and shuts down that factory.

    Fuck, turns out we're the ones shutting down factories not the people that own them and have decided to go to where the labor is even cheaper. How many factories have you shut down today, lads and ladettes and those betwixt?

    And it turns out your only option is subsistence farming or sweatshops because every time colonized people try to start something better, they keep getting bombed and invaded by the US.

    • unperson [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Why do they think subsistence farming is 'backbreaking work for 16 hours per day, no weekends off'? Between all holidays, festivals, vacations, and plain idle time people in feudal England worked 200 days a year, 12 hours a day, and that's including ~60 days of work in the lord's land. Imagine being in control of your own production and having 5 months worth of holidays on top of that.

      And hunting and gathering is even lazier, as long as imperialism doesn't exist and you have enough land to do it.

    • RandomWords [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      those fucking lefties inventing things like the concept of exploitation... if they just didn't mention that people were being taken advantage of it wouldn't be wrong.

    • childishpizza [she/her]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      Well I mean they could always adopt a socialist system and nationalize natural resources and the means of production, so workers could eat for a change and actually be their own bosses instead of being enslaved by multinationals? Oh wait I forgot....to quote your favorite Norman Bates-like friend “We coup whoever we want” and man social justice and national afirmation will get you a friendly visit from the CIA faster than they stuck a knife up Gaddafi’s ass. I guess in your bourgeois bootlicker view that’s just the way it is, hey how about you just buy 5x more sweaters so you can help them out because that’s totally how capitalism works?

    • cracksmoke2020 [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      These people know nothing about history or foreign policy outside of what's heavily propagandized by western sources.

      Poor countries opening their markets to rich countries in ways not directly managed always ends up being worse for these people with limited exceptions (i.e. resource rich but low population countries with strict immigration controls).

    • Gorn [they/them,he/him]
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      4 years ago

      It comes from classical Liberalism and the social contract theory. Basically, by being born into a society, you make certain contracts with that society to accept certain responsibilities, such as to work, which you are free to do at any workplace of your choosing.

      It's all voluntary, see, because you made that original contract by being born into a society that gave you life and sustenance. You definitely chose all of it, because I am definitely not trapped oh no not me the thought is simply too terrifying to even consider

      (note, this is John Locke's take, which is hugely influential, and who actually had some pretty based ideas, ngl, for an ancient Liberal)

    • Multihedra [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      The original sentiment is as old as liberalism, that people could enter into “free and voluntary” contracts that would benefit all involved parties, shit like that.

      This particular meme though references a very similar type of meme in which it is Mao that does not consent (generally to some kind of landlord rental situation). This comes from Mao’s conception of the Mass Line, a way for a revolutionary party to support the people. The party should reach out to understand the needs of the people, use Marxist analysis to formulate a plan to address these needs, and finally ask for the consent of the people before enacting the plans.

    • childishpizza [she/her]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      they prolly heard it on breadtube or Dave Rubin’s podcast or smth like that, it’s not like these people ever read/hear anything from actual politics/political theory scholars.

  • Gorn [they/them,he/him]
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    4 years ago

    This is what those fucking libs get up to without chapos around to keep them in line :angery:

  • ProgressiveKnife [none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    Have they literally ever made their own form of joke or is all of it parasitically copied from some other group on the internet?

    • childishpizza [she/her]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      Literally all libertarians and neo-liberals are is rebranded conservatives and fash’s who distanced themselves from those movements due to wanting to be in a polyamory relationship with some deviant art version of Natsuki and cocaine.

    • childishpizza [she/her]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      yeah neo-liberals are just fash’s who are fond of “anime titties“ tbh.

    • childishpizza [she/her]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      I love space exploitation! Hey tankies did not come up with space, Elon Musk did!

  • WhatDoYouMeanPodcast [comrade/them]
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    4 years ago

    Now do one about children, South American governments, the middle east, the literal chatel slaves (who do labor for no reason, it's just bad guys being bad without motivation lol), prison laborers, and people disenfranchised by big businesses moving in. Sprinkle in the people effected by climate change (esp. subsistence farmers), pollution, (illegal) waste dumping, oil spills, and plastic in the ocean and you have a spicy meme. This is all before you even get to wage slaves whose only other choice is starvation which, while controversial for a lib, is a wretched existence in other circles. Then you can start talking about the stolen wages which is the lion's share of theft in the US, but I'm sure that while abroad these multinationals do a really good job of keeping records of hours and overtime for their cheap labor.

    • childishpizza [she/her]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      i mean cuba no iphone 🤔🤔🤔 i know Africa is poor country but we need that market competitinerina ❌🧢

      • WhatDoYouMeanPodcast [comrade/them]
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        4 years ago

        Very true, very true m'lady 🧐 socialism should just outcompete literal slave labor in the marketplace if it wants to win hearts and minds.

  • star_wraith [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    These are the people who would lead us to neo-feudalism, where we all live in company-owned sleep pods and work 80 hours a week for basic sustainence and it's ok because "both parties consented"