Marvel exec: “Hear me out. We literally just bring back all the Sam Raimi supervillains”
Fellow ghoul: “Oh, like write the same characters?”
Marvel exec: “No I mean literally the same actors portraying those particular versions of those characters coming from the Raimi universe”
Fellow ghoul: “......I love it!”
I'm of two minds about this whole thing
Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse already did an amazing job of the whole multiple Spider-Men thing and this just feels like the lazy man's way of getting the entire Sinister Six into a movie
But also, we're finally getting a superhero movie from Disney that's basically just them being like "Yeah, we own all these action figures, let's slam them together and make noises while we do it"
But also, we’re finally getting a superhero movie from Disney that’s basically just them being like “Yeah, we own all these action figures, let’s slam them together and make noises while we do it”
"finally"?! was that not what all the avengers movies were?
The fight at an airport was really lame and End Game sucked
Quick! Let's separate into several one-on-one fights! It's not like they are familiar with each other's powers and fighting on the same team.
I meant in terms of previous actors and characters they've picked up since Avengers
After all, nobody cheered when Hawkeye showed up in Thor, because Hawkeye is small-time (all offense to Jeremy Renner meant)
This is big time, "we own nearly every character and actor who ever portrayed them" levels of media
Into the Spider-Verse was amazing. Straight up a landmark in animation history and a great story. Oh, and the sound track was masterful
It really did remind me that animation can still pack a big punch
Really, all these superhero movies should be animated
I mean, if it means Willem Dafoe in another villain role, I'm obligated to watch it
Yeah. ‘pander to people’s nostalgia by bringing back the only good capeshit ever made’ seems like a pretty decent attempt at getting my attention.
Yea it seems odd to complain about like, the best parts of the Raimi movies, the excellent actors cast as villains with good performances being brought back lol
I’m not complaining I’m just taking the piss. I will absolutely be watching this movie
Honestly I know we all dunk on it because it sucks but at the same time, I feel like the passion is gone. Folks: were dunking for attention. Were dunking just to dunk. Thats why I move we place marvel dunks into the low effort bin, right next to their movies.
Dunking on MCU always kinda sucked because there's nothing there. The movies are made in a lab to appeal to the maximum amount of people globally and thus there isn't really anything to them. It's like dunking on Kim Kardashian. Yeah she's rich but she carefully avoids saying or doing anything controversial. With MCU, I don't even hate them, I just think they're boring af.
The marvel dunks are becoming as tired as the films themselves. Is this what Baudrillard meant about simulacrum
Ah yes my favourite capeshit slop. Looks like brainless fun.
Can we just dunk on why trailers show the whole movie? I feel like I've seen it just watching.
Yeah so Peter Parker is notorious and everyone knows his secret identity so he does a spell that makes everyone forget him except he messes up and it doesn’t work and now the multiverse is open which lets some version of the sinister 6 into the world, half of which are played by people who knocked Tobey Maguire’s teeth in, but he can’t fight them all on his own so he gets assistance from Dr. Strange and his two best friends (one of which is a love interest) but mostly his friends even though Dr. Strange seems to be the one best suited to deal with inter-dimensional fuckery, so despite everything getting ramped up and going wrong at the last minute, they manage to get the McGuffin and resolve their differences over how to handle it, which likely involves Peter either turning around the city’s opinion of him, completing the spell, or coming to terms with his own responsibility.
That about it?
Two predictions because I am, despite my best efforts and knowing better, a complete nerd burger and sucker for this shit and deserve the wall because of it:
-Topher Grace will make an appearance and have a very brief monologue about how he is finally going to get his revenge....which will be cut short when Tom Hardy appears from off screen and eats him with some quip about "Man that guy was lame". 50/50 chance he gets the white venom motif after this.
-Its an open secret Garfield and Maguire are both in this, and I couldn't really care less. Never liked any of their tenures as spidey. However, I maintain that Marvel has kept at least one other spidey hidden in secret. Who you ask? No, not Miles....although that is definitely another possibility and one I would welcome for sure.
No no no. The true hero of the movie, who will show up at the 11th hour while things look their bleakest to save the day is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1PePr8hAsc
The spider mech that doesn't even have a spider motif is what does it for me.
I wish they wouldn't have gotten Oscar Isaac for Moon Knight because I would love to see him as Miguel O'Hara like in enter the spiderverse.
also, we are definitely going to see some clone shit eventually, and people will lose their minds.
I cannot be the only one who think it's extremely disturbing how the trailer emphasizes the phrase "I can't save everyone". Feels like it's priming the public for sacrificing millions to climate change.
Priming the public for sacrificing millions to resurgent covid for those opening box office numbers!
Almost certain that has a bit chopped off and it's 'I can't save everyone alone' at which point other spidermen appear to help
Marvels Eternals literally says war is good because after every major conflict the human population has increased
Okay I know we dunk on marvel shit here and that’s fine and all (god Eternals was awful) but I’m so fucking pumped for this movie ngl.
Spiderman ✅
Nostalgia ✅
Tom Hardy’s Venom ✅
Multiverse shit (I loooove time travel and multiverse stories) ✅
Zendaya, probably ✅
Also I know a lot of you really seem to hate the concept of the MCU, and that’s fair, but I honestly really like it. I like shared universe shit that gets so built up and full of stupid back lore that it hardly even makes sense but they try to make it make sense anyway. I really like that about comics but I’ve always really struggled to read comics, so I like that they’ve given me that in a form I enjoy.
It does suck how much influence marvel movies have had on other movies. I wish they could just be stuck in a bubble all by themselves where I can enjoy them but they don’t influence the rest of culture. And the Whedonesque dialogue sucks ass sometimes. But I still think they’re fun.
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I'm with you comrade. Also, Molina's Doc Ock was great - very excited for him. Also, if they let Defoe just inhale scenery again, that's a big win.
Never saw the other movies (rami 3, Amazing 1&2), so can't comment on the other villains, but I'm down for this shit, even if it is corporate hell.
Also, you forgot one check mark
J.K. Simmons back as Sicko-Allfather JJJ-GOD ✅
Molina’s Doc Ock and DaFoe’s Green Goblin are so good, I’m all about it. The villains from the ones you missed all suck tbh. I did really like Garfield as Spider-Man but his villains were lame.
And YES J.K. Simmons is the ultimate JJJ and when he first showed up at the end of whatever movie it was I was so fucking pumped. And then again when he showed up at the end of Venom 2. Oh I’m so excited.
seem to hate the concept of the MCU
I like the concept of the MCU, I just wish the movies weren't so formulaic. The most exciting Marvel movies are the ones that step outside the norm in some way, but most of them are just "good guy uses macguffin to stop bad guy while dealing with a personal issue" and that gets stale after a while.
Yeah that’s fair, but also that’s kind of like, most sci-fi and fantasy plot line at a basic level, is it not?
Yeah, I oversimplified it a bit. It's more that there is a collection of traits that are common to most MCU movies, which make them look, sound, and feel very similar, and having watched a bunch of them I'm thoroughly tired of those traits so unless an entry goes outside the box in a notable way I can't get excited for it even if it's a character I like like Spiderman.
All tension must be interrupted by the music dropping out and someone making a quirkily awkward dad joke before continuing. Gets a few laughs in the theaters because people view them in groups and then they just break tension and flow because they happen so often
I would be satisfied if they were just color graded less boringly. I loved Doctor Strange just because the spectacle of it had some variety. The fractal shit they did in that movie was badass
I wish our mono culture was cheesey westerns about drunk cowboys rather than cheesey fantasy about soy boy super heroes
I tend to like “western” movies that parody and pay homage to westerns. Mostly because they do it without being white supremacist propaganda.
How can anyone still convince themself to care about this capeshit trash
Spider-Man ✅
Nostalgia ✅
Tom Hardy’s Venom ✅
Multiverse shit which I love ✅
Zendaya ✅
one thing that really made me fall off the marvel train post endgame is how they were totally unable to handle the whole "half a dead universe" thing and they didnt even try. But idk at the same time thats how comics are.
Infinity War bugged me too. They teased big status quo changes, and it just made it more apparent to me how beholden to capitalism the franchise is. Like they're really going to kill off their cash cow protagonists.
But creating omnipotent items tends to ruin any tension too.
no offense but this a 'fool me twice shame on you' sort of situation. Theyre comic books & movies, nothing was gonna change.
I knew it wasn't going to change anything, I just meant that them teasing fans and watching my friends take the bait (one of them almost cried at the end of the movie like they weren't gonna get snapped back) made it even more apparent that these things were just cash grabs. But I'll admit I was into the MCU for too long.
its okay, not gonna lie I was too :( saw endgame at midnight because my friends wanted to go, and honestly, had a good time.
:meow-hug: same and same. I think it's a matter of being able to turn off your brain and being able to turn it on for critique later where it will be heard
yeah idk I'm still gonna see this. I always loved spiderman, even if they have completely butchered the things about him that make him fun and interesting.
people pissing and moaning about bringing back all the characters when that's literally what comics do all the dang time.
is it capitalist slop? sure. will it be particularly well done? probably not. am I happy to see some of the older characters return because basically all the new marvel villains have been absolute dog shit? yeah.
can't make a decent spider-man movie? cool, let's just go back to a time when they were half-decent, grab some random shit from there, and dump into some stupid fucking marvel-esque plot! it's foolproof!
