Going by rightoid standards, Trek is so much more "woke" than Star Wars
Counterpoint: many right wingers are dumb as fuck and don't understand social commentary that's more subtle than a brick to the face
What does the right even have lol - the Starship Troopers federation?
There's the unironic WH40k empire stans, but they're probably seen as incredibly weird and off-putting even by the Fox News ghouls.
i'm still mad they rewrote the Tau from 'hopelessly outnumbered genuine good guys who are too insignificant to make a serious difference in the galaxy, which is full of incredibly powerful factions who are too stupid/racist/xenophobic to ally with each other to take down the biggest existential threats' to '1984 alien mind control parasites make everyone subservient to the ethereals so they can genocide the humans they trick into joining their empire'
but in classic slopagandist fashion they will deny making any claim whatsoever about reality or related concepts, and insist that since the lore is written from the imperial perspective it might just be propaganda. this has zero effect on the wider culture and community, who continue earnestly 'larp'-ing as fascists, while absolving them of any specific wrongdoing.
i mean yeah, in-setting even the most oppressed mind-controlled Earth Caste factory workers probably never have to eat food thats mostly made of human (or tau) corpse starch, like almost the entire Imperium of Man does. and they probably never get turned into an overly-complicated doorknob via cyber-crucifixion for complaining about the taste of the corpse-starch ration blocks, like the humans do.
pictured below: aforementioned human doorknob
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Agreed. The Tau were actual proper grimdark done right. Fighting against hopeless odds in a war they cannot win just because it is the right thing to do. That's really dark. But I guess the empire stans got mad that there was actually a faction worth rooting for in the franchise so they had to fix that.
At least the Orks are alright.
Can they just be normal?
I think being in character for WH40K pretty much predisposes you can't actually be normal
It's funny because you can kinda judge people on the chapter they play. Black Templars are chuds most of the time, Salamanders are the opposite.
Similarly, I find a lot of left wing homies play Imperial Guard (it me, I like all the little guys) but the Guard players with the worst politics invariably play Krieg
I think the presence of space marines draws away the people looking for power fantasies of various kinds (from your black templars to your salamanders) and leaves the people who's fantasy is either ordering people to their deaths (Krieg) or standing tall with your comrades against overwhelming odds (most other regiments). Of course, the less said about the fantasies of Praetorian players, the better.
I love the Guard, probably cause of Abnett's Gaunt Ghosts, but I also sure do like those Valhallans boys and girls
I play dark eldar, which in my mind are the most egoist ancaps possible. But also hot goth space elves? Idk
I like Black Templars because they play like Space Wolves lore claims they fight like.
I play Dark Angels because they're canonically as sick of Space Wolves as I am.
Also, one of the few loyalist chapters that have a weakness that both matters and is the direct fault of their own Primarch.
space wolves are ok, they are like the 2nd or 3rd most likely chapter to care about civilians whatsoever, they fought the inquisition to stop them from blowing up a planet once i think. idk about the fans, i imagine the viking theme attracts
Conceptually Space Wolves are okay (beyond, as you say, viking shit being a magnet for Nazis). My problem for them is that they're so poorly written.
If I said something like "the battle between Svane Vulfbad and Harald Deathwolf", most people would be hard pressed to figure out if I'm mocking the Space Wolves or referencing a real canon event.
I play Necrons, but it was for the original Terminator vibe. Now it's because I think the models are cool and I like Trazyn being an absolute shit and doing a Grumpy Old Men with Orikan. They're also easy to paint.
Right wingers seem to like Dune but scifi isn't their domain I think. Unless you count novels like the Probability Broach.
Conservatives are into fantasy. Tolkien is their guy.
They also generally have an incredibly shallow knowledge of and grasp on Tolkien's works and either base everything off the movies cause they ain't read the books or project a lot of stuff that they want into it and ignore that reading the hard to read stuff will tell you they're wrong. I wish Tolkien were still around cause he'd be an absolutely vicious reply guy.
Right wingers seem to like Dune
Dune is actually rightwing, a conservative morality play and distant future. Frank Herbert was what today would be called a chud and was very open about it. That being said, Dune is still amazing space opera and something unique.
I do find it funny when leftists who don't know the background of the author and his own interpretation twist themselves into knots trying to make Dune into some kind of leftist agitprop.
What? Herbert for sure didn’t have good politics, but he was an anarchist, not a chud. What are you talking about specifically?
And dune is very much anti-authority, anti-eugenics, anti-futurist etc etc. it’s not “pro” much of anything. But most of the things it is “against” are chud things.
I've never watched Star Trek and only saw couple of the originals from Wars, but isn't the first one just fully automated luxury space communism written by libs and the second just Vietnam war allegory turned McDonald's toy?
Culture wars are the last funny bit of this farce
When Star Wars space ancapistan is too woke for you.
How it looks when you definitely understand what a Vulcan salute is and how it's definitely not a variation on throwing up the w
tbf the original series is hella sexist. Maybe it wasn’t so bad for its era, but it is really tough to watch in 2023. Roddenberry was a sex pest and it shows.
One scene that stands out to me, a female officer walks onto the bridge (of course she is conventionally attractive, because Roddenberry). Kirk, Scotty, and some other male officer start talking how she’s good at her job but eventually she’ll meet a nice man, get married, and then want to leave Starfleet. Apparently it’s impossible to keep women officers because they only care about men. In the episode with Khan there’s another female officer who basically loses her mind because Khan is so sexually irresistible. That’s a recurring theme in TOS, the men are always cool and the women just want them. TNG is so much better and nothing like this (except for making Troi wear a non-standard low cut leotard uniform for no discernible reason).
If someone has never seen Star Trek asks me how to get into it, I tell them to start on TNG and go from there.
That’s a recurring theme in TOS, the men are always cool and the women just want them.
Unless the women are green
TNG is so much better and nothing like this
Having just rewatched it, it's honestly worse in a few places, because it tries to have Lwaxana/Crusher/Troi-centered episodes but all they can think of is "Ghost Rape", "Lol Menopause", and "Space Baby Jesus".
TOS almost only ever introduces a woman for her to fall in love with the sexy male villain/god/robot, and while being basically treated as set dressing is bad in itself, at least they spend less time writing them badly.
I guess the difference is that TNG actually has some good representation of women mixed in.
I'm not a Trekkie and i know you don't do the Vulcan salute with the back of your hand
It could be a reference to a very specific gag in Lower Decks. It isn't, but it could be.
In my freshman year there was this Christian conservative kid who lived on my dorm floor that was obsessed with Star Trek (lol) and Ghostbusters (probably slightly more appropriate for his ideology)
why is she showing the live long and prosper sign backwards. is she confusing it with the westside gang sign.
I kinda want to know what she think Star Trek is about.
The original had the first on screen interracial kiss.
TNG is all about finding the best way to minimize suffering and uplift species so that Riker can sling dong
Those are the only two series I watched. Can someone fill me in on DS9? Is there like a rad fascist crew?
DS9 says that terrorism is cool and good sometimes using an alien race formerly under a 50 year brutal Carassian occupation thst the writers said in interviews was analogous to the struggle of the Palestinians. Ds9 also has an episode where a main character leads a strike and quotes Marx. The captain travels back to this year and sparks a revolution over the homeless crisis in the most prescient piece of Sci fi ever, it was written in 1992. Garak is a queer icon and Jadzia/Ezri Dax are trans icons. Deep Space Nine is the most left wing Trek until Lower Decks happened. Also watch DS9, it's absolutely amazing.
Come to Quark's, Quark's is fun, come right now, don't walk. Run!
It'd basically Mein Kampf as a 7 season Sci fi series that spun off of a successful franchise. It even does self-crit about the federation and shows perspectives of characters outside of stsrfleet. It's right wing as hell
creatures of pure neuron stimulus-response, sometimes I wish my life was so simple
