Outlook, Outlook Calendar, Teams, SharePoint... I'm honestly baffled by how bad they are. It's like it was made by aliens who only sort of understand what human beings want. And, of course, Microsoft is super selective about their product managers and pays them a ton of money--even though a golden retriever could have come up with a better UX. Literally all they had to do was fucking copy Google.

  • p_sharikov [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    It's honestly shocking how bad software in general is. Everything is bloated, there are a million competing standards and frameworks, everything breaks constantly, improvements in processing power are immediately eaten up by increasingly inefficient programs, there is an epidemic of planned obsolescence, and like 90% of software is intentionally designed to make you insane.

    I swear, my college changed course systems like every year at the cost of probably millions of dollars and somehow made it worse every time. My Bluetooth headphones randomly disconnect. My neighbor's fridge stopped working for two months due to a software issue and then randomly started working again. And don't even get my started on web technologies.

      • OllieMendes [he/him,any]
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        3 years ago

        Okay, but if someone told me their fridge needed software updates I'd stuff them in (assuming a locker wasn't nearby).

        • Jadzia_Dax [she/her]M
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          3 years ago

          I wonder if it's still impossible to get out of a fridge if you get locked in one. Kids used to die all the time back in the 50's from that.

          • OllieMendes [he/him,any]
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            3 years ago

            No, they fixed that for just that reason. Unless of course your bougie ass Wififridge needs to connect to Siri before it can open.

      • p_sharikov [he/him]
        ·
        3 years ago

        Couldn't afford a new one. Luckily they had a mini fridge in the basement

    • sawne128 [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      improvements in processing power are immediately eaten up by increasingly inefficient programs

      True for internet speed and web pages also. I don't really understand how it can take like 10 seconds on a 100 Mb/s connection for some text in a comments section to load, but I swear all the big websites are like that now.

    • Galli [comrade/them]
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      3 years ago

      sharepoint is atlassian but microsoft

      teams is slack but microsoft

      onedrive is dropbox but microsoft

      office 365 doesn't make sense as a cohesive whole because it is a suite of legacy office software and knockoffs of modern products

      • Jadzia_Dax [she/her]M
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        3 years ago

        sharepoint is atlassian but microsoft

        Wait, it has a jira alternative inside of it? What the fuck

        • read_freire [they/them]
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          3 years ago

          my best guess is comrade meant confluence specifically when they wrote atlassian

    • OgdenTO [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      I think this is a mystery never meant to be solved.

      From my experience, teams does not host files, but needs a SharePoint backend to host files on - so acts as essentially a (worse) interface for accessing files but then the files can be shared and worked on by multiple people more easily

      One drive I have no clue.

      • L183R4L [any]
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        3 years ago

        You are correct, SharePoint is the backend to teams. SharePoint requires more setup for users to actual begin using it. OneDrive is just a place to put things, less work than SharePoint but less feature rich

  • RandyLahey [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    my regular work outlook got less and less functional to the point that it started randomly just not actually sending emails - sometimes they get stuck in the outbox and refuse to send and sometimes they just disappear entirely with no trace of the actual message in any folder whatsoever

    so for months ive been stuck using outlook webmail for my work shit, which is even less functional and also uses most of my cpu and ram so the computer is constantly seizing up and my laptop fan is screaming at full throttle all day to boot, so thats cool

    office is a whole suite of shit riding on the coattails of excel being the one actually good bit

  • john_browns_beard [he/him, comrade/them]
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    3 years ago

    Outlook is awful. There are several email reports that I send out daily, and I have to click like 8 times to bring up the template for each one. There is no functionality to give the templates their own buttons on the ribbon. FUCKING WHY?

    • Jadzia_Dax [she/her]M
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      3 years ago

      The version of outlook I have to use for work is beyond terrible. There is no way to filter calendar appointments into a separate inbox and it doesn't let you easily set emails as unread. It's a fucking mess. There is random dogshit buttons everywhere.

  • CthulhusIntern [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    IT guy here. At my soon to be former job, we assign licenses for O365 for users. The instructions are basically "uncheck all these stupid, pointless apps, and assign them only the ones that actually make sense for us to have."

      • CthulhusIntern [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        I'm not a sysadmin, so no, I have not. But I heard from them that it was a pain to implement, and it was a pain for me, since it confused the hell out of the users and I had to help them.

        Recently, they ALSO decided to implement Microsoft Authenticator, so now it's even worse.

    • Quimby [any, any]
      hexagon
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      3 years ago

      I think my company's IT team got the instruction "give them all the apps, but uncheck all the settings so that they can't configure anything"

      • Jadzia_Dax [she/her]M
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        3 years ago

        This is my life. It is hell. I cannot make any teams in Microsoft teams and I want to scream. We have a 4300+ person company all dumped into a single team. It is hell. Why am i alive.

  • SolidaritySplodarity [they/them]
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    3 years ago

    The online version of Word is astoundingly bad. It can't handle literally the one thing it should be good at, which is collaborative editing. Constantly losing edits when others are editing the same document, even in totally different places. The UI for adding comments is basically hidden and actually viewing all the comments is even worse.

    I'm pretty amazed at how bad it is. I could literally do a better job writing the whole thing from scratch by myself if you gave me a year.

    • wifom [they/them]
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      3 years ago

      Going from an academic google email to a job that uses outlook was a huge culture shock for me. And gmail isn't even good lmao

      • ABigguhPizzahPieh [none/use name,any]
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        3 years ago

        At my old job people over the age of 40 hated google email and Google's office suite so much that the entire company switched to MS office and outlook.

  • red_stapler [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Enterprise IT stuff is all so labrynthtine that it could probably have a whole book to complement bullshit jobs.

    • Thordros [he/him, comrade/them]
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      3 years ago

      Jobs to support jobs that manage jobs that don't actually produce anything. The most efficient system. :porky-happy:

  • Sushi_Desires
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    3 years ago

    a golden retriever could have come up with a better UX

    So that godawful toolbar layout all ms products have now is called the "ribbon" and it was added right around when XP was going out. Well there's a rumor that even bill gates himself saw the toolbar layout and said "you will have a classic mode, right?"

      • Jadzia_Dax [she/her]M
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        3 years ago

        Throw it into the ocean with the used car batteries. It's a safe and legal thrill.

      • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]
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        3 years ago

        Still don't understand why companies use access when Microsoft themselves make SQL server. Like it's still shit, but at least it's an actual DBMS and 1000 times better than access.

        • Jadzia_Dax [she/her]M
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          3 years ago

          You have to learn SQL to use that. Access lets you half-ass migrate an excel file that's grown too big to function over to something that will technically still run queries without setting your computer on fire.

          • FloridaBoi [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            Lets you run macros too and input/output excel files which is where the real work gets done

      • FloridaBoi [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        I think Outlook edges out gmail in a few ways like searching, multiple accounts, offline archiving, and maybe a couple of other things that I can’t remember.

      • Wheaties [comrade/them]
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        3 years ago

        The interface makes it easier to keep on top of emails than Google's. I just receive emails, though. Send 'em at the rate of three a year. It fits my specific use-case, so it is therefor good :garf-troll:

        but it does keep asking if I want to stay signed in, even though I've checked the 'no' box a thousand times.