“The People’s Republic of China is waging a brutal campaign of repression against the Uyghur people and other minorities with mass incarceration, torture and forced labor,” House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said during a news conference Wednesday before the vote. “With these bills, the House is combating this horrific situation and shining a light on Beijing’s abuse.”
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Nevermind the US slave labor codified in our constitution, concentration camps for brown people, including babies and children, and (illegal) assassination of a foreign diplomat.
Wasn't it less than a year or 2 ago when the supreme court said that Nestle can't be bothered to check if its supply chains have any slave labor in them?
Yes but unlike Chyna Nestle is using democratic slave labour so it's OK.
Most westerns have this conception of slavery and freedom, that if you TECHNICALLY have any opportunity to say "no", it can't be slavery, coercion, or exploitation. Have a "friend" I argued with the other who said it was perfectly fine to have US prisoners work for well below minimum wage because TECHNICALLY they can say no...
is it just me or has the cold war against China been heating up this past year
not just you, but we all saw the writing on the wall
all the :zenz: shit has just been manufacturing consent for this, which itself is kabuki theater
Imagine if Enes Freedom becomes responsible for an all-out war between China and the U.S. lmao
I may be overly optimistic, but I think that 95% of the Enes engagement that isn't just shitting on his terrible takes is astroturfed.
This ain't 1950, there's interior apathy toward death squads and brutal subjugation of land defenders and other disruptive protests in the imperial core but there's no red scare appetite to generate mccarthyism 2.0. :porky-happy: kinda dug their own grave there with the end/dustbin of history shit, no one here born after 1980 takes red scare shit serious. They can drown out dissent but there's some shit that's so brazen (like this xinjiang nonsense) where you have to actively silence dissent or you can't effectively sell the narrative (like they did with Mao/Stalin).
Like no (rad)lib's going to accuse you of genocide denial when you point out that the east turkmenistan islamic movement was on the terror list until magically it wasn't, or that there isn't a single non-american puppet regime in the islamic world that is agitating about this. They eat that anti-iraq/afghan-war and idpol shit up and you can paint em into a corner with it.
On the other hand I've got a radlib friend I met in the streets last summer who randomly spouted off a xinjiang quip to me about a month ago, so maybe I'm just out of touch.
I dunno I got a woke idpol anarchist friend who blindsided me by parroting CIA talking points hook line and sinker talking about “believing the POC survivors”
yeah it depends on the context and whether you're having a dialogue. if that's all the case and it's not heated, then you ask about the nayirah testimony
worst case you do what folks in the sub did with me a couple years ago and just point out that from the POV of a prole in the imperial core your opinions are all informed through that lens and your actions will
have zero real influenceonly ever have an impact on the capacity of anglo hegemony to take advantage ofonwhat's going on there. even a radlib conditioned to cry whataboutism has a hard time swallowing thatYeah, that suddenly happened to me a couple months back too. An anarchist friend just bold faced defending the IMF and World Bank as humanitarian while saying all Chinese investment was predatory and fascist.
Not trying to be annoying or pedantic but they call it East Turkestan
Honestly a conflict like that could be the best opportunity for a true socialist revolution to break out in America
tbh as capitalism spirals down towards its death, it looks like we're either going to fight for socialism or end up with fascism, which i guess was always the case
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I just hope it doesn't turn really sour before China opens its borders again so I can move there. Xi pls
If you're in American, honestly it's already too late. Unless you have another passport and an exit plan, you're stuck here with the rest of us.
China's not gonna keep their borders closed forever, that's absurd
No I'm saying Americans won't be allowed to leave/won't be able to really go anywhere. Why on Earth would they just let us?
That's psychotically pessimistic. I'm a pessimist to the point where it makes me suicidal and even I can see that's not gonna happen
We care deeply about the Uighurs, which is why we are going to inflict economic devastation on their province
Voice vote too, cowards
Wonder who the one was
Almost certainly one of the libertarian freaks whose foreign policy views are “literally nothing exists outside the US.”
If they really believed there was a genocide going on and they actually gave a shit about the Uyghurs surely they would sanction every chinese province except XJ. It's transparent that even they don't believe their own bullshit
Oh, so now it's not just the Uyghurs but "other minorities" as well? Name one you decrepit old sack of shit.
This is literally what it's all about, isn't it? :deeper-sadness:
Who was the one rep that voted against? The balls on that mofo, all of America has been whipped into an absolute frenzy over China.
Thomas Massie (R - KY). God knows what reason he has for it, probably loves slavery more than he hates China.
Read a little bit about him and it seems he's a right-libertarian who has actually backed up his non-interventionist beliefs unlike almost every other libertarian. I wish more American politicians at least had that decency to keep their bullshit in America and leave everyone else alone.
They're rare, but there are right libertarians who are basically anti-imperialists. The only folks outside of the left in the US who are. Their reasons aren't the same - it's usually something about how we should only use tax dollars for defensive purposes when the actual 50 US states are attacked - but eh, I'll take it. Different path but gets to more or less the same destination.
all of America has been whipped
https://i.imgur.com/p4zqptE.jpg
This is block is so narrowly targeted, I feel like it must have been lobbied for by Chinese capitalists to fuck with their rivals.
was it the US invasion of afghanistan where they were trying to snuff out heroin production and would kill people based on the allegation that they were growing poppies? reminds me of that
Correct me if I'm wrong please, but was there not an article in Politico or something that definitively said "Yeah, this actually isn't a genocide over there, doesn't meet the criteria, really more of a deradicalization thing that is winding down now anyways?" I recall it made the rounds a lot here and there was lots of chatter, but other sites and the media in general just literally ignored it.
It was an AP article. Said there wasn’t a literal genocide or organ harvesting, but still said it was a cultural genocide. Also technically the genocide and slavery are two different talking points, which is why the slavery schtick been picking up steam while the genocide talk has been dying down.
Thanks! What parts did I get wrong? Correcting bad ideas/info is part of combatting liberalism, so please lmk if you're able.
Love to combat internal liberalism with you comrade:
- The only thing that jumped out was that it was originally an AP piece which may well have been published in Politico or whatever if you saw it there.
- Any other inaccuracy is due to the nature of summarizing an article and a complex situation as a whole into a couple of sentences. You should know that a comment that is less than 3 paragraphs in length is inherent liberalism, and unfortunately I've had to report you to the mods for re-education.
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Thank you for the correction
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I will readily admit that this is correct, and I will report to the nearest :gulag: for my crimes.
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I wonder what kinds of clear and convincing evidence will be accepted here?
But nice implication that all manufacturing and production in the entire province is by default slave labor.
This is just a way to shift blame about supply chains to China.
Reminder that over 75% of the raw material for solar panels comes from China, and 2/3 of that comes directly from XinJiang. Western manufacturers have struggled to build capacity because they can't make it profitably, reliably in the US or Europe (and there's zero chance they're gonna get better at it in the US, trust me).
Wow that's crazy, which materials are those? Where can we read more?
How come there's zero chance the us or Europe will get better at producing them reliably? Cheap makes sense, but what are the constraints with reliability?
Polysilicon. It's very capital intensive for what's essentially a commodity like Iron ore, it's very electricity intense (i.e. you need a good, stable power grid), takes nasty inputs, and it's very sensitive to vibration (i.e. limits your choice of factory locations, largely to places people do not want to live either). The "Siemens" process is the most common. The Fluid Bed tech they mention in the article has been tried in the US and utterly failed - one thing I don't see mentioned in the article is that the FBR requires less power for heat, but the monosilane gas they use is very flammable - it will combust when exposed to air without a spark 🔥
The reliably part is less about the technology and more about the boom/bust nature of basic level commodities like that, which makes it very hard for Capital to justify ponying up so much money that it takes to run the factory. For these kind of basic materials, it takes a war or some other massive government investment to get the "activation energy" (for my chem nerds) to build the necessary infrastructure and basic research.
10 years ago, when Obama first made a big solar push, the US tried to expand its capacity. Then when the price dumped (classic overproduction, but it was blamed on CHYNA), the US firms threw a hissy fit and pretty much tried to force the customers to give them money. Now going forward they've basically thrown in the towel to those dastardly reds. Wacker, a German company, does have a relatively new facility in Tennessee, but that relies on cheap TVA power which is pretty much tapped out.
Why are they suddenly pushing this and the boycott of the Olympics?
None of this is sudden. Everything they're doing now has been suggested and expected throughout the year.
Yeah this current campaign goes at least as far back as Obama and Clinton's "pivot" to the "Indo-Pacific region," which made virtually no sense to me at the time but now makes too much fuckin' sense.
America during WWII : put the Asians in camps because they might be spies or terrorists
America today: you can't just put Asians in camps because they might be spies or terrorists!
Ethics aside, just pick a fucking lane.
There aren't even camps anymore. They shut them all down last year and pulled out the military because the region was stabilized.
Even when they had expanded military and police presence, it was mostly local volunteers.
The US would benefit from helping people relocate out of poor rural areas into areas with jobs. But this would be considered forced labor under their definition.
