Child soldiers? Live and die for the empire, they’re doing their part :im-doing-my-part:
Needless violence for the sake of violence? Hell yeah brother that’s the good shit :le-pol-face:
it doesn’t work. Anyone with fascist potential will look at whatever “Genocide Bad Guy The Metaphor Is Literally Spelled Out For You Armada” and think they’re fucking sick. You’re giving the fascists material.
IMO, if you really want to satirize fascism, hit them where it hurts: they are fucking incompetent buffoons who act like they’re god’s chosen race because they have no positive qualities besides the promised intrinsic ones.
Verhoven grossly miscalculated how audiences would interpret his Starship Troopers movie.
At least it eternally pisses off the original book fans.
Yeah, I check in on several fash accounts every so often and they love their Starship Troopers gifs and memes, in a very approving and unironic way.
I have relatives that unironically quote Michael Ironside as if it is profound to bark out "THE FAILURE OF DEMOCRACY!" then snicker and look at each other for approval.
It probably didn't do much to create more fascists and we got a brilliant piece of satire out of it. I don't want to give up smart media because people might take it wrong. They were already leaning wrong and if a movie pushed them over it was gonna happen regardless
Who cares what fascists think? If they like it it's either bad or they like it for the wrong reasons. They're wrong about pretty much everything all the time, don't spend time thinking about their opinions. Media plays a role but fascists would still be fascists if Fight Club or whatever never came out. Don't compromise your art for the sake of fascists. Just kill them for being fascists.
Id aim my ire at capeshit recruitment films and your average action flick over satire then. I guarantee Micheal Bay and Marvel has done thousands of times the damage something like Starship Troopers may have
We wouldn't be having this conversation if it weren't for Starship Troopers actually. I found Chapo from a YouTube reclmmendation for a video where they discuss the movie and then I found the sub and came here. So I'm sorta in that net.
Do what the Warhammer dudes did if you find yourself in a position where fascists are taking your satire wrong. Make it public that it isn't your intent and they're assholes and idiots for taking it that way. Compromising our art and our interpretation of art to work around fascists taking it as encouraging their ideology if that isn't the intent is appeasement. Intelligent and subtle satire is cool and good and i firmly believe it does its purpose often enough that the fee weirdos who take it literally are probably nlost anyway so it's worth it.
My favourite anti fascist movie is Pan’s Labyrinth, where
spoiler
the fascist commander asks the communist rebels to give his baby son his fathers watch so he’ll have the same idealised image of his father as a self-sacrificing hero that the commander had of his father
They refuse and tell him the son would never know anything about his father before shooting him in the face, denying him his “glorious death”
More spoilers for the end
The idea of fascist masculinity is a major theme in the movie. The Commander insists that his unborn child is a son despite having no way of knowing. He tells a romanticized narrative about his father involving his watch, which he checks constantly throughout the film. He makes his dying wish with an air of faux dignity and the last words he hears are “No. He won't even know your name.”
It’s well worth a watch, if you don’t mind reading subtitles. It tells the story of the Spanish civil war from the perspective of a young girl mixed in with her own fantasy world, and it’s a beautiful movie despite being hard to watch from sadness
Y’all may disagree, but of movies I’ve seen I felt like Jojo Rabbit was the best satirical portrayal of fascists I’ve ever seen, because it portrayed the Nazis as a bunch of incompetent losers and weirdos.
I think Blues Brothers did a good job at this. Not only does it show how Nazis are enabled by the liberal state, it portrays them as outright stupid (this one gets cut off but that's the Nazis at the end pulling up to Wrigley Field) and ultimately (CW: homophobic joke) fatally bumbling.
What the hell? That unfinished overpass was five miles in the sky!
Mel Brooks had said in interviews that a large part of his humor is based on making Nazis look as foolish as possible.
I doubt it. If The Producers is released today nazis would start unironically singing Springtime for Hitler.
Proof: fascists unironically sing "Tomorrow belongs to me" from Cabaret.
Have Fascists eat poop and have them consider it a delicacy or something.
The Duke: Within a budding grove, the girls think but of love. Hear the radio, drinking tea and to hell with being free. They've no idea the bourgeoisie has never hesitated to kill its children.
The President: Homage to the rear temple is often more fervent than the other.
The Duke: This howling is the most exciting thing I have ever heard.
The Duke: I remember I once had a mother too, who aroused similar feelings in me. As soon as I could, I sent her to the next world. I have never known such subtle pleasure as when she closed her eyes for the last time.
The Magistrate: Signora Vaccari is sure to soon turn them into first class whores. Nothing is more contagious than evil.
The Duke: Dear friends, marrying each other's daughters will unite our destinies for ever.
The Duke: We Fascists are the only true anarchists, naturally, once we're masters of the state. In fact, the one true anarchy is that of power.
Signora Castelli: It is not enough to kill the same person over and over again. It is far more recommendable to kill as many beings as possible.
The Duke: It is when I see others degraded that I rejoice knowing it is better to be me than the scum of "the people." Whenever men are equal, without that difference, happiness cannot exist. So you wouldn't aid the humble, the unhappy. In all the world no voluptuousness flatters the senses more than social privilege.
The Bishop: Idiot, did you really think we would kill you? Don't you see we want to kill you a thousand times, to the limits of eternity, if eternity could have limits?
The Duke: The limit of love is always needing an accomplice.
Watch Another Movie but for Starship Troopers
it's a flawed movie which places its criticism in subtext, an above average familiarity with historical style and undercuts itself with charismatic performances. nevermind its source material is fascist. what i mean to say is ST's failings don't indict the artform
proper Euro antifascist movies tend to be pretty hard to misinterpret
undercuts itself with charismatic performances
Agreed on everything else but this more than anything.
Every human in the movie is HOT AS FUCK. Literally everyone. Even the bald middle aged commander (?). Like, the only conclusion the audience can reach at that point is 'if fascism bad I don't wanna be ugly'.
i feel like the movie exists for in-group moviegoers to laugh at people 'not getting it' when the actual film is fighting the 'correct' interpretation
I think that to parody modern fash you have to emphasize the things about themselves that they don't like. Make the fash in question wave a giant flag with a loli character on it, show them acting pathetically gynophobic (as in literally running away from a woman out of fear), make sure to include the fact that they're all living off of allowances from their parents and washed out of college.
Good idea. I'm going to portray the Russian troop buildup near Ukraine as a repetition of the Aryan invasion of Europe in the year 3000 BC
I'm pretty certain at this point that if most of Hexbear did head the revolution that Soviet Realism would actually be the only allowed art style.
i mean you can try to satirize fascist brutality, not stopping you, but they generally use it as their own agitprop lol. i'm a fan of starship troopers, i wrote this while mad at chuds who like it
Along with symbols/master race names from India and a bunch of Norse shit and the OK sign. Fash does that. It's part of their game
I get being mad at chuds getting stuff wrong but if they got it right, they wouldn't be chuds. It's just a risk that comes with doing an art because fascists exist. I'm pro keeping the art and doing away with the fascists and see considering them an L in that front
Name a piece of popular genre fiction that isn't Star Trek and couldn't be taken as fascist
I said popular genre fiction not some game from 2017 that I had to google. If your parents don't know what it is it doesn't count.
Cause it's easy enough to cherry pick obscure stuff and I'm making the point that pretty much all mainstream media has fascist undertones at the least. Attacking actually good satire that could also work on our side our is at least entertainment meant for us cause we got it as intended isn't worth it and speaks to a puritanical view on art in general that I've seen where everything is only interpreted as didactic.
Not denying you point, but I think Starship Troopers was using the comic violence of fascism to parody liberalism
He accidentally made some good "moderate wing of fascism" propaganda then
Liv who lived under nazi occupation as a child and harbored a deep hatred for fascism.
