This is what I've picked up through osmosis
Socialism is:
a) What they have in Nordic countries/Europe. The "kinder communism"
b) OR actually just as bad as regular communism, what they have in Venezuela/USSR/Cuba. Extremely evil, no freedoms, no 34 different brands of toilet paper, awful. All socialist countries are dictatorships.
These two contradictory definitions somehow simultaneously exist in many people's minds.
Communism is: unquestionably bad. No private property at all, you can't even own a hairbrush. Everything is the same, drab and dreary. Bread lines. Somehow more extreme than Socialism despite commonly being thought of as the exact same thing.
Marxism is: the most extreme form of communism ever. The big bad. Somehow worse than both communism and socialism combined despite being the same thing as them. Some Americans will insist that actually socialism is good because that's what they have in places like Denmark and Bernie said he was a socialist, but MARXISM is bad because that's what they had in the USSR. Associated heavily with the destruction of western values and bringing about horrible things like LGBT rights and abstract art (???)
Anarchism is: a violent, completely free-for-all way of life. Mostly just 17 year old larpers. Destruction for destruction's sake. The exact opposite of communism on their rudimentary political compass, but also somehow part of the left at the same time.
I’d bet there are libs out there who think something like “socialism works in mostly white countries (referring to Nordic countries), America is too diverse for it”
That's one reason establishment cons said M4A wouldn't work: too many browns would tax the system getting ass implants and treatment for injuries they got from robbing the local white christian family
Have you seen how big America is? It might work in Europe where everything is close together, but socialism will never work in America where things are so far apart!
So socialism is ok when white people do it but bad when brown people do it (especially if they're sitting on oil or lithium)
Even American leftists tend to be extremely myopic and pro US which is hella disappointing.
I guess the one good thing about the US' view of the left is that being a Marxist here actually means something, unlike Europe where parties that can't even be called social-democratic anymore claim the heritage of Marx.
The exact opposite of communism on their rudimentary political compass, but also somehow part of the left at the same time.
Horseshoe theory but the horseshoe is tilted 90 degrees counterclockwise
...but how are you going to pay for it?
It is annoying, but it is uplifting to see that young people seem to be hard left and have a favorable view of socialism.
Holy shit I think that talking point was the most infuriating thing to hear over and over again during the primary.
Bernie: Medicare for all will save us billions of dollars
Media: but how are you going to pay for it
Bernie: ... it will SAVE US BILLIONS OF DOLLARS
Media: sure, but where will we get the money from to pay for it? Taxes will have to go up!
Bernie: yes taxes will go up but you won’t have to pay premiums or co pays any more
Media: sure does sound impossibly expensive
In fairness, the US left has had to rebuild itself and learn over 100 years of history and unlearn cold war thinking. As for the rest of America, yeah thats even more work.
Cold war propaganda fucking ruined the minds of basically all Americans lmao. Even old black radicals have become overcome with lib brainworms. Most of the western left are trots. Tbh, the US is in a better position than most of Europe because our left was destroyed and is being rebuilt while theirs continued to exist but was pushed to the sidelines to devolve into crankery. British MLs are crank terfs, the rest are crank trots. Also, ironically the fact that we have large racialized underclasses means our left isn't plagued as badly by chauvinism as the European left is.
