The Patreon post as copy/pasted by someone else (The final bit of it will be in the comments due to length):

Walking away from Omelas This was going to be a YouTube video, but I just don’t have it in me to invite that kind of scrutiny, to be the last in the sick, sad line of YouTubers who get all weepy on camera and cry about how they just can’t do this anymore, boo hoo hoo. I had planned to move video content to Nebula, but I realize now that doing that is just keeping wounds wide open. My life ended nine months ago - what has been taking up bandwidth ever since then has been a ghost. It’s almost funny, how many people will insist that I have "lost nothing" (you know, because subscriber count is the only metric for success and cancel culture doesn't exist). One YouTube channel chugging along on algorithmic inertia is not success - it’s just an engine driving on fumes.

Many will say this is being melodramatic, that my live isn’t over, that there was absolutely nothing stopping me from brushing myself off, building back up goodwill and shutting up and playing the game. And I tried that; in a way I suppose it’s good that I did, because I needed to learn the hard way that that was never going to work. There is no un-fucking this. You can’t find the energy if there is nothing left to convert to it. You can’t be a better person if you are nothing but the hollow shell of one.

2021 has been the worst year of my life. I am traumatized by it. To this day I still have people scolding me by how I handled it, that I should have handled it differently, that I should have “controlled” my “stans”, as if I had the capability to know what any of these people were even saying to strangers on Twitter while I was shitting blood for weeks on end. The worst thing about this whole thing is that I can’t even admit this trauma because of all the rhetorical devices people have already come up with to dismiss it. That centering my own pain is evidence of “not listening” (does it occur to these people that you can listen, and disagree with other people’s conclusions?) That I’m weaponizing my “fragile white womanhood” or whatever to say that having thousands upon thousands of people who you have never met hate you and say whatever will get them the most updoots is traumatizing. That people I used to know would sit there and lie about me on Twitter dot com to the tune of thousands of retweets and tens of thousands of likes, and I just had to sit there and take it. My favorite are the people who dismiss any potential harm I might have incurred as justified because I am a “wealthy, white woman” (I am not wealthy), while these same people’s hearts positively bleed for Britney Spears.

These people don’t see how similar these talking points are to the same Boomer, bootstrap parenting style that I thought most of us had agreed was abusive - that you need to toughen up, accept your punishment, accept that even if the reaction was outsized that you did SOMETHING wrong, because where there’s smoke there’s fire. Grow a thicker skin. These same people who always crow about “believing victims” telling victims of public dogpiles that they do not deserve to claim their trauma, let alone to process it, because they deserved it. There is no such thing as cancel culture. There is no incentive/reward structure in places like Twitter to call people out. There are no updoots/favs/follows/retweets for hotting a take on whomever is trending.

I reread the 2015 essay “Hot Allostatic Load” for the first time in years last night, and I could not stop crying. Even reading some of these passages now, I can’t stop crying. This was written from the perspective of a trans femme and discusses some rhetorical devices used to demonize trans women specifically, which obviously does not apply to me, but some of it is spot on:

One of the most common tools of exclusion is through mobbing, which is rarely talked about because unlike rape, murder, etc, it’s not easy to pin it on a single person (or scapegoat). Mobbing is emotional abuse practiced by a group of people, usually peers, over a period of time, through methods such as gaslighting, rumor-mongering, and ostracism. It’s most documented in workplace or academic environments (i.e. key points of capitalist tension) but is thoroughly institutionalized into feminist, queer, and radical spaces as well. Here is why it is horrible:

  1. It has an unusually strong power to damage the victim’s relationship to society, because it can’t be written off as an outlier, as some singular monster. It reveals a fundamental truth about people that makes it difficult to trust ever again. People become like aliens, like a pack of animals that can turn on you as soon as some mysterious pheromone shift marks you for death.

  2. The insidious nature of emotional abuse: How do you fight ostracism and rumors? They leave no bruises, they just starve you.

  3. Mobbing typically occurs in places where the victim is trapped by some need or obligation: work, school, circles of friends. This can prolong exposure to damaging extremes.

For these reasons, PTSD is an almost inevitable outcome of any protracted mobbing case.

The Isabel Fall case is almost a textbook example about how online mobbing harms people, and how the people who participate in these mobs never engage in any self-reflection — when some people read Fall’s “Helicopter Story” and questioned the trans bonafides of the author in early 2020, Twitter did what Twitter does and ruined Fall’s life, death by a million cuts, no one single person even beginning to question whether they did anything wrong by jumping to the worst possible faith interpretation of both the text and the author. After a profile written by Emily VanDerWerff was published late in 2021, were lessons learned about the way we use Internet mobs to tear down people we don’t know because of situations we don’t understand? No — one of Fall’s detractors, Neon Yang, became the new scapegoat du jour, using some of the exact same tactics used the prior year to attack Fall.

I’m not going to touch on Yang’s original comments about Fall or the pushback to them, but what was downright charming in its lack of self-awareness about that whole situation was the way people used Fall’s trauma to hurt Yang, the way they invoked Fall being checked into the hospital while Yang said whatever about Fall and “Helicopter Story”, all while having absolutely no idea what was going on in Yang’s private life. What’s particularly galling is how many people accused Yang of “Sending a trans person to the hospital with PTSD” while apparently being completely oblivious to the fact that they could be very well doing the same thing to Yang, a nonbinary trans person. There was no lesson learned on the nature of mindless dogpiling, just Twitter doing what Twitter does - failing to examine systems of abuse while continuing to perpetuate them by laying into a new scapegoat.

Again, a quote from Hot Allostatic Load:

Feminist/queer spaces are more willing to criticize people than abusive systems because they want to reserve the right to use those systems for their own purposes. At least attacking people can be politically viable, especially in a token system where you benefit directly by their absence, or where your status as a good feminist is dependent on constantly rooting out evil.

When the bounty system calls for the ears of evil people, well, most people have a fucking ear.

Something else that was also inevitable - I was going to quit YouTube. I knew I couldn’t do it forever, that I was running out of steam, that I was sick of the increasing dehumanization inherent, that I just didn’t have anything to say about movies anymore. The plan was always to end with Love Never Dies, since it seemed like the best place to end, with some semblance of energy rather than keeping on until I've withered away to nothing. What happened to me in March and April hastened it, but this was always inevitable.

My initial plan was to leave YouTube for Nebula, but I realize now that this is only entrenching myself in a more intimate form of harm rather than the broad, buckshot kind that YouTube invites. I won’t go into detail (not right now, anyway), but I can’t do video content for them either. I can’t make content period. I just can’t do this anymore. There is no healing as long as there is attachment to the thing that makes you suffer, and the thing in this case is being in the public eye at all.

What I wanted was to quietly disappear, but since this is a platform where people are paying me to make content, I feel like I have to make a statement. If it were just me by myself I would just sign off and say goodbye and that would be it, but I have a team who depends on my company for health insurance, and including dependents I supply full benefits for eight people, and here in the US employer-based insurance is often the only feasible option. Saying to everyone “sorry about your children, but they can’t have insurance anymore because Twitter makes me sad” just doesn’t seem like a fair deal (none of them incidentally know I’m posting this).

So the only thing I can do for now is keep this page active with the loose promise that someday I’ll figure out something in the future to make up for this, while asking you please stop messaging me apologizing for not being able to subscribe anymore. You don’t owe me anything. This Patreon is, like my own life and career, just running on fumes.

    • hexaflexagonbear [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      I'm just surprised she didn't hire a person/company to manage her social media. Like as shitty as Twitter can be, I'd rather figure a way of avoiding it than give up a significant source of income.

      • effervescent [they/them]
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        3 years ago

        You basically need to completely dissociate from the identity you’ve created in order to do that. That persona is dead and you need to stop taking it personally when people attack it. That’s difficult to do for anyone when they’ve poured that much work into it, but when instead of a pseudonym it’s your actual legal name and your brand is largely based on a personality of authenticity and your real life expertise in the film industry (even if that expertise is minimal), it’s gotta be near impossible

        • p_sharikov [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          I have to wonder how many of the people saying "shrug it off / disengage / don't feed the trolls" are just used to the experience of posting anonymously and the emotional distance and security that brings

          • PapaEmeritusIII [any]
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            3 years ago

            For real, gotta love the hubris. Like, “if I were in that situation, I would simply shrug it off and easily deal with it. RIP to Lindsay Ellis but I’m built different” no you aren’t and no you wouldn’t, most of us anonymous internet lurkers have no fucking clue what it feels like or how we would respond in that situation

            • effervescent [they/them]
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              3 years ago

              Frankly the fact that she’s lasted this long with the audience she has implies that she already has a full time employee or two insulating her from the worst of it

          • effervescent [they/them]
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            3 years ago

            I have been through hundreds of personas in dozens of smaller internet spaces over the past couple decades and I think this is the case. And in a way that’s good. The road that leads people to understand the dynamics at hand usually involves repeatedly sinking a lot of time into people who fundamentally do not care about you. Your existence to them is utilitarian and minuscule and learning that usually involves abandoning that work, whether it’s left to someone else, left to slowly decay, of destroyed entirely.

            Developing healthy boundaries with the quasianonymous crowds is not something we have social infrastructure for. It was probably taught to young monarchs at one point and maybe it’s taught at some bougie prep schools, but for the vast majority of people it’s trial and error, heavy on the error

            • p_sharikov [he/him]
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              3 years ago

              Abuse is part of the territory for most forms of work under capitalism. That's bad and no "compensation" can justify abuse.

      • spectre [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        I'm hoping the fediverse will provide an "out" for this. Hopefully there will always be a hexbear and hopefully we will have a federation of sister sites (as well as a "mainstream federation") in the coming years.

  • Lundi [none/use name]
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    3 years ago

    holy shit people are way more online than even I thought possible,

      • effervescent [they/them]
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        3 years ago

        “Cancel culture” is an amorphous idea that conflates a bunch of things in order to avoid talking about the specifics of situations by hiding behind examples which people find to be obviously bad

        • Huldra [they/them, it/its]
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          3 years ago

          As far as I get it its a combination of a natural burnout/loss of interest in youtube content over her career as an author, plus on top of that several years of constantly getting into twitter arguments and inviting shitstorms upon her house, sometimes by saying just flat out idiotic shit and sometimes for what seems like nothing, which apparently was what this latest shitstorm was.

          Basically just she doesnt like doing it anymore and has an alternative so she can just decide not to do it, plus that alternative doesnt mean she has to do social media shit anymore or something.

          • Lundi [none/use name]
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            3 years ago

            That's fair enough, I'm just going to stop posting shit I know nothing about lol

  • NewAccountWhoDis [she/her]
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    3 years ago

    More and more I become convinced that the human brain just isn't set up to handle the internet properly. There is just no room within many people to stop giving a shit about the masses or individualizing everything.

    People talk about mobbing as its called but what do you expect of the average person? Should we never voice criticism lest it be taken in an upsetting manner simply because someone else with no connection to us is being rude?

    It's not like these are connected groups or something, I have just as much control over @TrollThreatSender1999 as anyone else does, which is nothing. It's on the platforms to handle.

    You kind of see this in almost everything in online discussions in a sense. I've seen no shortage of "You people believe in X" in political arguments for example, often with little actual attempt to confirm that the person they're speaking with does actually believe that. But so many people just lump them all together anyway because it makes things easier to process and handle.

    And no offense but when you really look at these sorts of things the amount of active and direct harassment tends to be relatively minimal (at least compared to the number of people engaged in online discourse). It just feels overwhelming because you see so much criticism pouring in alongside the harassment that is actually happening and it melts our brain and we compartmentalize it all together as being harmful.

    • Arctic [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      Totally agree with you, I think we have a tendency to attribute (seemingly) widespread criticism to some organized or targeted group effort rather than just a handful of people who disagree with me or are criticizing me.

      I think there’s also a conversation to be had around personalized content algorithms too, I remember her mentioning how “Cancel Lindsey Ellis” or whatever it was was trending on twitter in her video. I know my trending tab on twitter is basically only related to things that’s twitter thinks I’m interested in, it would make sense for a creator’s trending tab to be the same. So of course if a tweet about her got decent engagement then of course it was going to be on her trending page which would have made the situation feel so much worse for her.

    • ProfessionalSlacker
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      3 years ago

      I try to have sympathy for this because I think a lot of people are way too blasè about how 1000s of hateful messages can destroy your brain, but she talks about this in the same breath that she absolves herself of any responsibility over her fans harassing people. Feels a bit shitty to insist that anyone who is repulsed by her white fragility schtick is responsible for actual harassment when she is perfectly capable of understanding that you can't control how other people behave.

      • effervescent [they/them]
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        3 years ago

        I’m not sure I follow. Because she says that she can’t control her fans, she shouldn’t be complaining about her anti-fans talking about/at her? I didn’t think she was claiming any other creator was responsible for the negative attention she was getting

    • effervescent [they/them]
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      3 years ago

      People talk about mobbing as its called but what do you expect of the average person? Should we never voice criticism lest it be taken in an upsetting manner simply because someone else with no connection to us is being rude?

      The problem is that capitalist social media’s profit model relies on centralizing attention in people who offer higher “returns” on that attention. So the process of becoming so famous that ground hum discussion about you is processed as vicious harassment has now been automated while the support systems for those who find themselves with all this attention have been offloaded

    • bananon [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      In conclusion :xi-plz: make us all touch grass

  • Arctic [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Some creators have a compulsive need to address every bit of criticism that they get, regardless of the relevancy and inevitably end up blaming cancel culture or whatever when it’s in large part due to the fact that they just can’t tell when to log off and stop feeding the trolls

    • camaron28 [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      Account created one hour ago.

      Look, one of said trolls.

    • RowPin [they/them]
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      3 years ago

      I remember making a Reddit comment on one of her videos once, saying something like "given she names [bad book] as her favorite, I don't have hopes for her own novel being good". I later received a message 3 months later saying she had, in a recent video, said something like: "And someone on Reddit actually tried to use me liking another book as evidence that my own was going to be bad!" (Aside: yes? People tend to write like novels they think are good.)

      I thought it was hilarious at the time, especially because the book turned out mediocre, but looking back, it's actually concerning that she would be reading negative Reddit comments about her own videos and remembering them months later. It's a pointless engagement that could have no positive effect on her mental health, because logically, if you allow random internet comments to affect you positively then you are also giving them the power to affect you negatively. Creators that can survive that usually solve it with no engagement at all or heavy misanthropy.

  • deadtoddler420 [any]
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    3 years ago

    Laying off your employees because of a comment you made about Raya and the Last Dragon is like a degree away from macing a Gamestop employee cause Sonics arms are blue.

    Anyways there's no way she's well. This isn't the kinda note you get to post when there's people who are loving you and supporting you well in life.

      • Theblarglereflargle [any]
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        3 years ago

        It’s amazing that people are still doing the shit she talked about in the post….

      • Huldra [they/them, it/its]
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        3 years ago

        Maybe I'm stupid but the post really doesnt spell out that well that people are still being paid, and it does imply that this is a surprise post in "(none of them incidentally know I’m posting this).".

        Writing a bunch of stuff about how people depend on you for health insurance for their families, then in the next paragraph writing about trying to make up for "this" in the future is going to be easily interpreted as just dropping her employees, even if its actually intended to be addressing first the employees and then the patreon subscribers in the latter statement.

        • HarryLime [any]
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          3 years ago

          He rpost explicitly says that she's leaving up her Patreon so that her employees can still get paid and have health insurance until everyone can figure out a way to move forward. I posted one of her employees saying she's still getting paid. Here's one of her collaborators saying they all knew this was coming down for months, even if they didn't know about this specific post. Like.. how much clearer can this be?

          • deadtoddler420 [any]
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            3 years ago

            I donno, typically if my employer posted a softcore suicide note I'd still be pretty worried about my income

          • Huldra [they/them, it/its]
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            3 years ago

            I'm sorry I dont follow every collaborator of Lindsay Ellis to get the full backstory, and it doesn't explicitly spell that out even if the post is meant to say that, its easy to misunderstand. Im just trying to explain how the post in isolation can be easily misinterpreted.

            • HarryLime [any]
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              3 years ago

              I'm sorry if my response came off like I snapped or was yelling at you. I'm just frustrated by people still reading the worst interpretation of her words when I just don't think she deserves it, even if she is a lib or whatever.

    • comi [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      it were just me by myself I would just sign off and say goodbye and that would be it, but I have a team who depends on my company for health insurance, and including dependents I supply full benefits for eight people, and here in the US employer-based insurance is often the only feasible option. Saying to everyone “sorry about your children, but they can’t have insurance anymore because Twitter makes me sad” just doesn’t seem like a fair deal (none of them incidentally know I’m posting this). So the only thing I can do for now is keep this page active with the loose promise that someday I’ll figure out something in the future to make up for this, while asking you please stop messaging me apologizing for not being able to subscribe anymore. You don’t owe me anything. This Patreon is, like my own life and career, just running on fumes

      :soviet-hmm:

  • Catherine_Steward [she/her]
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    3 years ago

    Simultaneously good for her (youtube is not a good platform for basically anyone these days) and also good riddance.

  • budoguytenkaichi [he/him,they/them]
    hexagon
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    3 years ago

    Final Bit:

    But all I know now is that being in the public eye at all is a losing game, and I regret all of it. I regret every time I’ve ever stood up for anyone - it always backfires. I regret every time I pushed back against something unjust - it was always just used to hurt me. I regret every time I ever stood up for myself - I never did it “correctly.” I regret every time I showed any vulnerability - just more ammunition to be used against me later. I regret every time I ever tried to play the game with peers and colleagues - they will drop you the second you aren't popular on Twitter anymore. It’s all hollow and brittle, and if there is one thing I have learned this year it is how eminently expendable I am. The good, progressive cis, straight, wealthy white men keep on trucking and coming out on top because deep down, they know that the systems they profess to stand against ultimately exist to benefit them.

    And to all the people telling me I need to grow a thicker skin or remove myself from the conversation altogether - you are right. I don’t have it in me to do the former, so I shall do the latter.

    Hope your new year is better than this.

  • Huldra [they/them, it/its]
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    3 years ago

    Theres shit that could be pointed to as "sus" or "problematic" in this statement but what good would it do at this point.

    Hopefully Ellis gets to feel better and safer and hopefully we get to hear a little less about this fucking circle/group of youtube creators, I'm so sick of getting secondhand stress from them getting into controversies and saying dumb shit or getting targeted for dumber shit.

    Edit: Ok fuck it I have to make at least one take(tm) about this, Lindsay Ellis must have a fucking gift at picking the absolute worst comparisons for herself when it comes to not generating extra drama and controversy, jesus christ.

  • Theblarglereflargle [any]
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    3 years ago

    Jesus I assumed this was all about the low key Biden comments people got so ovwrly pissed at her about but it’s from a Disney movie comment?

    I hate to say this but it does feel like we are becoming more accepting in general but more hateful at an Individual level as a society.

    How THE FUCK did western leftists identify the hostile, sexist, abusive toxic hierarchical elements of the hippie movement, say never again, and then do the exact same shit.

    • effervescent [they/them]
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      3 years ago

      It’s not just about a Disney movie comment. Lindsay has amassed so many people who hate watch her content or hate follow her on Twitter and this was pretty inevitable regardless of what the final straw was (not to say that any particular concern is valid or not)

      • Theblarglereflargle [any]
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        3 years ago

        And that’s just not good. Because the worst shit she has ever said is a fraction of some of the awful shit male bread tube or lefty figures have said.

        It really does feel like a lot of the hate stemmed from her just being a women on the Internet. Like looking at stuff so called leftist said about her and not being able to tell a different between it an an encyclopedia dramatica entry is REAL gross.

          • Mrtryfe [none/use name]
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            3 years ago

            For what it's worth, he made national news on Hexbear too for the house thing

        • GalaxyBrain [they/them]
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          3 years ago

          Her content is like...only sorta political and usually about the politics shown in or shown in the making of movies. It's not particularly radical stuff

          • Theblarglereflargle [any]
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            3 years ago

            I never claimed it was. She never claims it was, which makes all the people getting pissed at her for political purity reasons even weirder.

            Same with the mob deciding that Jenny Nicholson and Sarah Z are next. Yeah that will show the world going after the pony YouTuber and the chick sued by the homestuck guy.

            • GalaxyBrain [they/them]
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              3 years ago

              If anyone does ANYTHING to harm Jenny Nicholson I will throw them into a volcano or shoot them with a bazooka. She is too lure for this world

              • Theblarglereflargle [any]
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                3 years ago

                Her biggest crime appears to be: a fake tweet an alt right made, not liking joker, and refusing to sexualize herself which some weirdos take to mean she thinks she’s better then those that do.

                • WeedReference420 [he/him, they/them]
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                  3 years ago

                  Still remember when MauLer and a bunch of other chud nerds angrily livestreamed themselves malding about her for like 12 hours after she didn't like Joker, super normal stuff.

                  • Theblarglereflargle [any]
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                    3 years ago

                    it appears her responding to them on Twitter was taken as proof by some people that she is bad? I keep saying this but meanwhile Shoeonhead created the alt right but she’s fine for some reason (not some reason she’s hot that’s it)

                • GalaxyBrain [they/them]
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                  3 years ago

                  She has a giant spider to protect her. Unless they have the light of Earendil then good luck

      • Huldra [they/them, it/its]
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        3 years ago

        Yeah she was that kind of unfortunate figure where she both has plenty of takes that rile people up, but also just has a tendency to put her foot in her mouth and trigger a wave of reactions against her. I can't imagine it being sustainable mentally/emotionally unless you have work and social circles entirely divorced from social media, which she had the opposite of.

    • GalaxyBrain [they/them]
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      3 years ago

      We were the only ones who cared about the Biden thing. Most of her fanbase supports scolding people for not counting for Biden

      • Theblarglereflargle [any]
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        3 years ago

        Honestly this may be the the thing that pushes me off the web. I remember all those big users on the subreddit writing their fuck it I’m out posts on here due to the movement cannibalizing itself as well as sexism concerns

        At this point they were right. The best way for this movement to go is to just learn the theory and try to educate in the real world and not interact with the online community at all.

        • spectre [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          The best way for this movement to go is to just learn the theory and try to educate in the real world and not interact with the online community at all.

          I don't see a lot of it on here anymore, and can imagine a few reasons why that is, but people should not consider any online spaces part of anything "revolutionary" or a matter of "praxis". There are very few exceptions, but all that stuff happens in real life, as it should. If you were to anything that mattered online where it is visible, it would quickly be infiltrated and/or shut down. Online spaces are purely social and should be treated as such.

          • Theblarglereflargle [any]
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            3 years ago

            I mean yeah I myself have said this in the past every time some weirdo said the reason he didn’t contribute to groups like the DSA was because it was liberal.

            But I mean more of there is no way to even have discourse online anymore. The social aspect seems to have been completely shot into dixk measuring contests

  • FUCK_JOBS [they/them]
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    3 years ago

    You had an independent platform that vaguely winked at something decent, like most breadtubers, and then turned out to be a shitlib irl. Remember when she was browbeating the people who correctly pointed out that Joe Biden was a rapist corporate suit?

    I genuinely hope she doesn't take the Adam Sessler (she's just the post-2008 collapse version of a G4 host) route where she shows up once every 3 years to increasingly worse responses. Don't come back, we don't need more video essays on Transformers. Don't do little voice cameos in other youtubers videos about how the French revolution was bad actually. She's made enough connections to carve out a 6 digit, 10 hour a week consulting/writing gig somewhere and could spend the last decade this disgusting country has left living pretty comfy.

    It's not a parachute made of gold, but it's still one that her class position affords her and that we would never get. Don't cry for some rich kid just because of a parasocial relationship you haven't worked out. She wouldn't feel bad for you.

      • FUCK_JOBS [they/them]
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        3 years ago

        99.999999 percent he's a terf but I pop whenever I see him, like at E3 a couple of years ago or when he shows up on random youtube videos looking like coke did coke. To tie it back to the thread, he's seeing JewWario/Spoony in the Channel Awesome movies. Obviously terrible people, but there's something captivating seeing morally disgusting dweebs get really angry at the Zelda CDI games.

        we're never gonna see Ikki Kita give Crisis Core a 2/5 and that makes me sad

        • Kanna [she/her]
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          3 years ago

          99.999999 percent he’s a terf

          Damn that made me deep dive to see what he did and I'm so disappointed. I watched him every day after school and generally had pretty positive thoughts towards him these days

    • Huldra [they/them, it/its]
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      3 years ago

      TL;DR: Originator of the modern video essay channel format and now sci fi author got burnout on making youtube videos, combined with having a tendency to both make controversial takes and say dumb-ass shit on twitter made her have a perpetual hate following which she decided she couldnt handle anymore, is quitting youtube to be a full time author or something.

      Post is just explaining all this, making some ill-conceived comparisons and also explaining that she is going to keep paying her employees for as long as possible and also telling people to not keep subbed to her out of a sense of obligation.

  • doublepepperoni [none/use name]
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    3 years ago

    I've got nothing but sympathy for her for being hounded by smelly basement goblins for over a decade, but this stuff about getting cancelled by 19-year-olds on Twitter for not liking a Disney product enough or whatever happened is :wut:

    • Theblarglereflargle [any]
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      3 years ago

      I mean they literally dragged every small piece of dirty laundry she had to the forefront and sent it to her actual jobs and stuff. To the point she had to make an apology/explanation video that was full of her CW horrific shit from her life. Only for them to claim she was lying.

      On top of that people who were even remotely connected to her (like did a voice over once) were getting hate and doxxed over this.

      It’s dumb but fucking hell did the dumbness get crazy and I can see why she is still haunted. Imagine explaining a majority of the fucked up shit that happened to you only for people to say it’s lies and double down on calling you shit.

        • Theblarglereflargle [any]
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          A mixture, the direct hate started bwcause of a badly worded tweet that was essentially “hey Rayla is a lot like last air bender snd we should make a term for the reductive nature of YA media” which some people took as racist. Which then blew up to people trying to “prove” she was always a racist or problematic. Which lead to these people using shit the GG refuges trying to ruin her life since that dumb shit with crap from her life have passed around. According to her the GG people have been sending certain stuff to PBS and her publisher for years but it hit a tidal wave as a result of this as.

          Which lead you an over an hour post where she explained the context for shit. Including. CW: sexual violence, violence, etc

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          Her and her roommate being raped, her experience with violence and so forth

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          Which less to people either doubling down and saying she is lying. Or people attacking others. She already said before this that she was afraid to ask for VA work anymore in case the people got attacked and people are now trying to cancel Jenny Nicholson simply because they are friends.

          • doublepepperoni [none/use name]
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            3 years ago

            But... it was all about cartoons :yes-honey-left:

            These zoomers are taking their corporate media way too fucking seriously

            YOU DON'T LIKE SHANG CHI???! YOU'RE WORSE THAN THE OPIUM WARS

            • Theblarglereflargle [any]
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              3 years ago

              Yeah, Honestly this does feel like ingrained sexism of some sort. Not to get all idpol but from the little I just checked the people who are still attacking her for shit she did in her past are also defending that Shoeonhead person who literally helped created the alt right. And I REALLY can’t shake the feeling that it’s cause Shoe is hot.

  • Deadend [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Only be mad at rich people or those who are doing actual crimes/in power.

    Just don’t at dumbasses. You can make fun of them, just don’t tag them.

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      3 years ago

      Even without tagging, most of them see quite a bit of it. Like @PeterCoffin is actually Peter Coffin’s account and I’m pretty sure they made it, searched their name, and immediately fucked off forever because holy shit this site does not like them

      • Deadend [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        Oh I mean in every platform. Let Peter be. As they don’t matter in the grand scheme.

        • effervescent [they/them]
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          3 years ago

          No I know you weren’t just talking about here. And I only tagged Peter because I assumed they didn’t log on anymore. If you’re reading this, sorry, Peter. I’m saying that after a certain amount of notoriety there’s just an assumption that people will be talking about you everywhere, even if it’s in weird pockets

  • ssjmarx [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    lol

    I still watched her because I like video essays and she made good ones, but I spare no sympathy for wealthy people grown ass adults getting bullied off twitter by teenagers. Like I'm sure it's not easy having a hate mob following you around all the time online but it is easy to delete twitter and disable youtube comments.

    • ButtBidet [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      I really know nothing about this... but according to her she's not wealthy.

      • Chapo_is_Red [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        Patreon says 11k patrons, which is a lot of money but I'm not sure if it puts her in the top 1% for income in US

        • Duckduck [none/use name]
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          3 years ago

          When your income goes up, your definition of "wealthy" changes upward. To some people, six figures is "wealthy" while to people who actually make six figures, "wealthy" seems a thousand miles away.

          • spectre [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            A million seconds is a month and a billion seconds is 30 years or whatever it is.

            I personally wouldn't call someone "wealthy" until they are making a comfortable living ($50k+) off of passive income or equity. I know that's a pretty high bar, but I don't mind calling people making high salaries/wages with a lot of assets "rich" or "privileged" or anything like that, and I'm [very, very] aware that comfortable labor aristocrats are generally not going to have their class interests fully aligned with the proletariat.

            Anyway the amount of wealth held by the actual, "wealthy" bourgeoisie is staggering, and a YouTuber isn't anywhere close to it. I just wish the language was well enough defined to avoid conflating then with someone who is "well off"