“Today’s decision is welcome relief for America’s small businesses, who are still trying to get their business back on track since the beginning of the pandemic,” said Karen Harned, executive director of NFIB’s Small Business Legal Center.
Love living in such a hollowed out country that the health of inanimate small businesses is placed above the real people that have to work or shop there.
This is also just pure ideology :zizek-joy:. No vaccines means your employees get Covid and you have to close. I cannot think of any situation where making your employees get Covid and die makes a small business owner more money.
You mean capitalism is so short sighted that they will actively kill people in the pursuit of immediate profit? As leftists, we're all stuck with a Cassandra curse.
Half the experience of leftism is being right the vast majority of the time, and having people act like you're a dumbass anyway.
You're assuming a small business owner gives a shit about their employees in any way. They still think there's going to be a line of hungry applicants out the door for a 29 hr/week minimum wage job opening.
Am I stupid? Why would vaccine mandates even hurt small businesses? Less :le-pol-face:s to hire?
From the article:
The OSHA rule required employers with 100 or more workers to make them get vaccinated or be tested regularly, potentially at their own expense.
If the "their" in the highlighted part is referring to the businesses (and not the employees), the only reason I can see is that they'd potentially have to pay for testing. So that their employees and fucking customers don't die during a pandemic.
:joker-shopping:
Heckin smol bean businesses, like Microsoft and Amazon
It would require them to verify the vaccination status of their workers and refuse them work if they had not been tested or vaccinated, which would probably take a sliver from the labor pool. Most likely it's just an opposition to the government imposing any requirements on the capitalists though,
Yeah that's basically what I thought, but it's such shallow idealism to make this vaccine mandate yet another obviously good thing that can't be allowed to happen because it's akshually very nuanced and there's good people on both sides. Who cares if small businesses can't hire walking biological weapons? I thought neoliberals have always sustained that some amount of unemployment is a good thing?
idk. I can't explain the bourgeois thought process beyond "it might cost me money so I'm against it"
unemployment is good because it means more people competing for jobs. This reduces the people actually competing for jobs so it could slightly increase wages.
Yeah it's extremely unhinged. My wife is immunocompromised too and it's been exhausting trying to stay on to of all the new ways the government is trying to murder her.
Love and solidarity to you comrade, it really sucks.
I haven’t noticed your rants before, and this one was well timed to remind me that I’m not crazy and there are people out there for whom this really matters. Good luck.
I know how you feel, my meds limit my B-cell response so it's not quite as bad but outside of that I'm in the same boat. It sucks so much. Solidarity comrade.
Rant as much as you'd like, comrade. This country is some bullshit and you deserve better.
Idiot decision that will kill thousands of people.
So the executive can't do anything and congress won't do anything, cool way to run a country. I hope America gets only what they deserve.
The executive can do something.
John Roberts has made his decision; now let him enforce it.
The US is already killing millions of people, by doing only one of the 7 or 8 things that need to be done to stop a virus (vaccines). And worse, Biden has taken the very few, bare minimum, shitty meager protections for poor people that Trump did during quarantine (rent moratorium, PUA weekly stipends) and swept them into the garbage can.
I get the impression it's not a popular opinion here, I think, but vaccine mandates, absent all that other stuff, are a waste of time and will disproportionately hurt poor people and minorities. They are not leftist. They are (a) an attempt by a corrupt, shitty administration to "make up for" not doing anything humane with regards to coronavirus; and (b) an action plan to keep open the businesses that bribe both parties in the US government and tell them what to do, so that they don't hemorrhage more money like in 2020.
I hate to see hordes of comrades supporting mandates. I am vaccinated and pro-vaccine, but vaccine mandates are shitty and stupid and anti-worker and anti-poor. The government should not be allowed to demonize unvaccinated people, for spreading coronavirus, when the government itself is doing more to proliferate the spread than any MAGA twat refusing a needle. It's like being mad at a guy who doesn't recycle his Poland Spring bottles, because he's wrecking the environment, and not mentioning Exxon.
Vaccine mandates as part of a broader set of anti-covid measures would be good.
Vaccine mandates as the only anti-covid measure taken is mostly bad, but it does still reduce the number of people getting hospitalized/dying, which is good. Yes it's not even close enough, but it's better than nothing. Pretty on-brand for the democrats in that way, I suppose.
You're right that it reduces the number of people getting hospitalized and dying. But so does banning ice cream sundaes and Dr. Pepper. I don't think we should mandate that people care for their own bodies.
In another scenario, like polio and measles, where the vaccine DOES stop the infection and spread of the diseases, then I would reconsider a mandate. But that is not the case for covid-19 (vaxed people can still catch it and spread it). So it becomes a question of "take it if you want it, and take your chances if you don't".
By mandating, all you're really doing is preventing mostly poor, disproportionately minority people from earning a living, attending events, and taking their kids to restaurants.
Well yeah, weed blocks COVID from entering your cells. COVID has more rights than we do at this point.
So goofy to look at people acting like the US supreme court has (or had) any sense of legitimacy
It's always been a partisan good ole boys club
I can't think of anything more fucking innocuous than requiring people to wear a mask during a pandemic that has been going on for two years. Just beyond parody at this point
Really wish I could look at the US from the outside because this has to seem so absurd to anyone who isn't already propagandized to hell and back
do any of you see a majority of people wearing masks when you go out? it really feels like we're gonna continue to see people disappearing quietly until the hospitals shut down and we're burning bodies
I hope your area continues to stay that way until something happens to mitigate these ridiculous infection rates. it really sucks that we're basically at the mercy of the most ignorant among us
Went to an open mic last night. Shoulder to shoulder, not a mask in sight. And I don't think anyone there was over 30 either, so it's not just brainworm-ridden boomer thing.
I kept my mask on until I started drinking. I'm fairly sure I've already had Omicron, or if not I have contracted it from my dad and am yet to test positive on lateral flows.
that is genuinely scary and makes me want to continue staying inside forever. I hope by some miracle you remain covid negative
I appreciate your concern, but I'm not too worried about myself. I'm vaccinated and not in an "at-risk" group, so it would be like having flu for me (which still sucks, but is manageable).
My dad wasn't vaccinated though, and Covid ended up giving him inflammation of the brain. He's still in the ICU right now. I didn't even know Covid could do that, but here we are.
I mean, even if you're okay and miss work for 5 days there's still a period in which you can infect others if you're not careful. it's an exponential effect which is what's really dangerous. kids and old people are especially at risk, even more so if not vaccinated
I'll be doing daily tests for the next few weeks, so I'll be able to isolate quickly if I come up positive. Let's hope I won't need to, though!
here's hoping. even if you're negative now I hope you stay safe in this shitscape
lol extremely locally yes, im in an asian part of town and so its like 50/50 in grocery stores. outside of this area, virtually nobody wears masks.
honestly i'm glad you have a safety net in your area, as small as it may be.. I'm in a "love it or leave it" area and I think a hefty percentage of the old people around here have croaked but people are still keeping their grimy little kids unmasked at the store. anywhere you go is basically an incubator. honestly I wish the spread would either hurry up or stop completely
No, absolutely not. When I go grocery shopping, it's me, my wife and the staff wearing a mask, other shoppers are all unmasked.
I can relate to this. sometimes the workers don't even have masks. it really makes you wonder how many people you haven't even noticed disappearing and never coming back
Out on the west coast we still have an indoor mask mandate that everyone is following, but schools and eat-in dining are both still open. And despite the county's 80+% vaccination rate, daily cases are the highest they've ever been, and testing centers are completely overwhelmed.
what the fuck specifically to the part about kids. I genuinely hate hearing about how children are basically thrown into a snotty meat grinder and we're all supposed to just ignore it
Yeah, my partner teaches high school and it's a complete shitshow. There are multiple uncovered teacher positions each day due to covid and a lack of available subs. You can't easily get tested and the turnaround times for PCR tests are 5+ days now. But the district doesn't want to close because it's worried parents will get mad.
reading that thing about the Chicago teachers union made me sick. your partner is doing such an invaluable service for society and not even their bosses give a fuck about the very real toll it takes
The frustrating part is that her union leadership has inexplicably chosen to side with admin this time. So teachers are getting burned out and don't really have anyone advocating on their behalf. It's not sustainable, and I feel like if cases keep rising something's going to give.
at this point it seems like all she could really do is walk out and leave the district to pick up the pieces. I hope it doesn't come to that but sometimes the best thing to do is pack it up
She cares too much about her students to do that, so I hope for their everyone's sakes the admin come to their senses.
LMAO at people who talked about the law & precedent. The Supreme Court doesn't care about those things.
Reminder that the president can just... ignore the Supreme Court. It's been done before.
Of course Biden won't.
Nooooo! Then he'd be just like Andrew Jackson!! Totally the same thing!
That said, is this really true? There was a whole Civil War between then and now.
Judicial review has no support in the text of the constitution, and the judiciary has no enforcement arm (because that's the executive branch's job).
The president could tell the supreme court to eat shit and die and there's nothing they could do about it.
Sadly, many lib will agree to this rule since it will create a “precedent”
I think the ruling is correct but the people who made it did it for stupid shitty cruel reasons.
SCOTUS should have to subsist on my feces for a minimum of 72 hours.
I can modify it as needed, but lately I've been eating excess nachos because I have a thing of nacho cheese that's about to expire.
