Not a hot take but I’m driving across the county rn and there’s so much natural beauty I can’t fully appreciate bc every time I see a god damn fucking billboard I am so enraged. Especially the ones that are just advertising the billboard itself, “if you’re looking at this it means it works! Rent today!” SHUT THE FUCK UP!! I wanna pull over and torch them so much

  • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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    4 years ago

    An underused argument against the efficiency of free-market capitalism is the extreme wastefulness of advertising. Sure, even in a leftist utopia you'd want everyday goods to look pleasing, and sure, people need information about what things best fit their needs, but think of how far beyond that the advertising industry goes. A real-life, common advertising strategy is "make your brand so ubiquitous that people can't think of the product/service you're selling without thinking of your brand." Think of the mountains of cash lit on fire to facilitate an approach like that.

    • First_Duality [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      It creates ridiculous arms-races, too. Coke and Pepsi have no reason to advertise anymore. None. Not even new products, if they just put them out there regular folk will do 99% of the work for them. They are as ubiquitous as it gets. But neither company thinks they can afford to stop, or at least significantly reduce, their advertising because then the other company would spend tenfold in an attempt to dominate. Both could just agree with one another to stop altogether and pocket the savings to pad their quarterly reports and it will never, ever happen.

      If aliens landed tomorrow and spent five minutes studying this single aspect of human culture, they would conclude we were all lunatics and collectively incapable of progress.

    • RNAi [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Of course "cash" is not the problem, it's the hours of work of so many people wasted, instead of those same people and resources being allocated to idk, teaching children, being social medics, repairing infraestructure, cleaning a contaminated river, being scientists, finding a cure for ligma, etc etc etc . BUT HEY! THAT DOESN'T MAKE A PROFIT SO WE SHOULDN'T DO IT!

        • RNAi [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          Sorry, not english speaker, I meant community medics/social workers: medics asignated to a neighborhood that know the people living there know their medical-and-socio-economic problems, and monitor them by visiting regularly each family even when not called.

          Check this link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_medicine

    • star_wraith [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      I would bet that at least 10-20% of jobs that we have under capitalism wouldn't be needed under socialism: sales, marketing, most lawyers, most cops... not to mention all the redundant companies that make the same shit. That's a 10-20% efficiency advantage to socialism right there.

      • AFineWayToDie [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Only 10-20%? You have the entire marketing industry (an industry whose only purpose is to balance out to net zero by cancelling out other marketers), almost the entire financial sector (moves money around, produces nothing), real estate (same), a huge chunk of manufacturing since goods are built to last rather than to fall apart as soon as next year's model comes out, consulting, recruiting, and a great deal of mental health support since capitalism exacerbates mental illness so much.

        Sp much of the "economy" is functionally useless, or holds up the damage it itself causes.

      • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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        4 years ago

        most lawyers

        In theory a socialist state could use far more lawyers. We should really prioritize giving public defenders (and prosecutors, too) a more reasonable workload, and tons of people get into situations where representation would help immensely but is too expensive to be practical. Even though tons of legal jobs would be eliminated (by dismantling the carceral state if nothing else), it's too optimistic to believe we'll establish a frictionless society, and when there is friction people shouldn't get fucked over because they have no attorney or are working with attorneys who can't dedicate adequate time to their case.

        • star_wraith [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          I'm thinking more of the corporate lawyers, trial lawyers IIRC are a much smaller part of the overall picture.

          Not to mention less crime to deal with in the first place.

    • Burnbabylon [she/her]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      Yeah the constant stream of psychologically manipulative advertising that’s beamed straight into our brains is also such a clear flaw in the idea that in a free market ppl get to look at a myriad of options and then rationally choose the best product at the price that works for them.

      Also funny how ppl say that living under an ”oppressive” communist regime means being subject to an inescapable stream of propaganda...like that’s literally the US but somehow when it’s advertising it’s normal and ok?

      • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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        4 years ago

        psychologically manipulative advertising

        For anyone who thinks this is hyperbole: check out "Influence" by Robert Cialdini. The whole premise is that people do not make rational choices, and here's how they're irrational, and here's how you can play to that. It's certainly manipulative, even if you want to argue that it can be used in non-harmful ways (e.g., to improve education or communication instead of to get people to buy more Pepsi).

        There's also voluminous research on stuff like "The Influence of Color and Shape of Package Design on Consumer Preference". Literally just tweaking the packaging -- without changing anything about the product itself -- to sell more of the underlying product. It's the exact opposite of "look[ing] at a myriad of options and then rationally choos[ing] the best product at the price that works for them."

  • glimmer_twin [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Nothing sold me more on Cuba and socialism in general a few years back when I heard there are no billboards in Cuba.

    Can you imagine not being advertised to every second of your waking life.

    • ComradeRat [he/him, they/them]
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      4 years ago

      I remember reading Reds! (an alternate history where the US had a socialist revolution) and in one of the short stories a person from America went to France, and couldn't focus because of the constant barrage of advertising. That really made me start to notice how omnipresent they are

    • Burnbabylon [she/her]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      Thank u so much for this comrade I literally can’t wait to use this next time I get the monthly “you should read the fountainhead” comment from my dad ( he somehow can never remember already forcing me to read it in 8th grade)

    • Burnbabylon [she/her]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      Same with WY. Can’t wait till we win and can replace them with installations by indigenous artists:)

  • JoeByeThen [he/him, they/them]
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    4 years ago

    `A lot of paint has sprayed from the can since the inception of BUGA-UP in October 1979. Since then the number of graffitists actively involved in BUGA-UP grew from three people working in the inner city of Sydney to people working across Australia, and across the world!

    People from 8 to 71 years old were active in BUGA-UP. These included entire families - carpenters, domestic and health workers, graphic artists, hairdressers, taxi-drivers, a wrestler, journalists, students, pensioners, research and metal workers, kindergarten teachers, technicians, public servants, unionists and clergy - to name but a few!

    Originally the BUGA-UP campaign was broadly aimed at all unhealthy billboard advertisements. However, in response to public opinion we soon focussed our attention on tobacco & alcohol promotions and other promotions that were socially and visually assaulting.

    This was one of the earliest examples of Culture Jamming in the world, and certainly in Australia.

    This site is dedicated to the activistes who have not only risked arrest, but injury through fence-jumping, scaffold-climbing, dog-chasing and the dreaded spray-back on those cold windy nights.`

    BUGA-UP, Billboard Utilising Graffitists Against Unhealthy Promotions

  • Awoo [she/her]
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    4 years ago

    I wanna pull over and torch them so much

    Sounds like praxis.

    • Burnbabylon [she/her]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      Haha someone1 link me some theory on how to burn a billboard without risk of ecological damage

      • Awoo [she/her]
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        4 years ago

        I don't think you can burn anything at all without some ecological damage occurring. Destruction of billboards is probably an ecological plus in terms of people supporting it and moving minds if it brings us even the tiniest step closer to winning. Everyone hates billboards.

        What are billboards made from? Roadside ones aren't really a common thing here in the UK. We only get them physically on buildings.

        • Burnbabylon [she/her]
          hexagon
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          4 years ago

          Google says PVC usually so burning is probably not the safest choice even if I didn’t accidentally start a forest fire...def would be most visually compelling though haha

          • Awoo [she/her]
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            4 years ago

            Ah... Forest. I was imagining an emptier American road landscape. :/

            • Burnbabylon [she/her]
              hexagon
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              4 years ago

              I’m guessing it was what you’re imagining, Up in the grasslands in ND. I just said forest fire because my brains been infiltrated by Smokey the bear

  • Provastian_Jackson [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    ummm live girls exit 77? Fireworks 10 miles on exit 80. Hey HEY!! YOU!! YEAH YOU! MIKE'S COUNTRY KITCHEN AHEAD ON RIGHT you fucker. You fat fuck1!!!!!! FUCK YOU

    • emizeko [they/them]
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      4 years ago

      live girls

      good thing they specified, who hasn't been disappointed by pulling off the freeway for a “girls” sign to find the place only has dead girls

    • Burnbabylon [she/her]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      There’s literally a religious pro child abuse billboard I saw last time I drove up to MT. Like can you imagine the sick fucks that spent thousands on that without even a profit motive

    • Burnbabylon [she/her]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      I was expecting pigpoopballs or something but that actually did make me feel better thx Comrade

  • kaka [he/him,they/them]
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    4 years ago

    Advertising is the worst industry. If they vanished we all would be better off.

  • quartz242 [she/her]
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    4 years ago

    This guy I knew owned some land and rented it out to billboards instead of working. I tried convincing him to switch to produce farming but no luck