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The White House, in a reflection of their public confidence (hubris?) regarding the politics of Biden’s positioning on Israel, arranged a call with Sen. John Fetterman (D-Pa.).

Fetterman, who has delighted in trolling left-wing critics by resolutely standing with Israel since Oct. 7, told me young voters should consider the implications of enabling a candidate who would likely given Netanyahu even more of a free hand.

“If you sit this out, or throw your vote away, you now are effectively empowering Bibi, and you’re definitely going to be empowering Trump,” cheeto-man he said.

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We can set this up very directly: it’s us versus them — and us is just voting for us, and them means voting for a third-party or Trump,” as one Biden official put it to me. brump

In the short term, that means seizing on any chance to complicate the ballot access of the third-party candidates freedom-and-democracy and attempting to discredit their motives or at least highlight the less savory aspects of their character.

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Later this year, Biden officials hope to dispatch trusted progressive surrogates to warn against a third-party flirtation — hope you like the Midwest in fall, Senator Sanders! flattened-bernie — and plan to bombard the internet with the same message on digital ads even sooner.

One idea: Enlist a series of sicko-zoomer younger voters who admit to being tempted by a third-party hopeful but explain they’re backing Biden because any other choice ensures Trump’s election. maybe-later-honey

Anti-anti-fa - kelly

  • Rojo27 [he/him]
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    I'm loudly cheerleading the ongoing genocide, but have you considered someone else might support it even more than I do?funny-clown-hammer

    What a fucking idiot.

    • SacredExcrement [any, comrade/them]
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      Listen, the sitting US Senator who has given Israel carte blanche to kill everyone, who literally wore the Israeli flag like a cape and heckled people calling for ceasefire, is definitely not doing anything to checks notes "...effectively empower Bibi," or the current president as much as someone else would

      Not at all

  • TheModerateTankie [any]
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    "Trump will let Israel genocide even harder" is not the great argument they think it is.

    • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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      You need to start from the premise that leftists are being hysterical and genocide isn't really happening.

      Then you need to double down and insist you are right to be hysterical about the hypothetical genocide Trump might do.

      Finally, they want to be able to indict you as fake Leftists who never really cared about Palestine when Joe Biden loses and Trump doesn't fix Biden's mess

      "Leftists who didn't back Joe Biden caused the deaths of a billion people in the Middle East" will be added to the Black Book of Communism, in the end.

    • tactical_trans_karen [she/her, comrade/them]
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      Pretty sure 2000 pound bombs is completely unleashed, you can't go much bigger than that without nukes. Just like libs want us to vote "harder", Trump's psychopathic bloodlust isn't going to make those bombs explode harder. Any vote I make will be a vote for the dissolution of the great Satan.

    • Mokey [none/use name]
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      What would trump do differently exactly? The US has given Israel full support already

  • LeZero [he/him]
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    “If you sit this out, or throw your vote away, you now are effectively empowering Bibi"

    Ok? Isn't Joe empowering Bibi now (and, in the hypothetical he wins the election, in the foreseeable future)? Do these assholes hear themselves?

    • hotcouchguy [he/him]
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      Fetterman, who absolutely supports the genocide, warns that electing trump would give absolute support to the genocide? And that's why he's anti-trump? What?

      • barrbaric [he/him]
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        I think he means that libs will still believe that Trump will make things worse, not that it's true, but this might be a certified Stroke Moment™.

    • PKMKII [none/use name]
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      Yeah but Trump will do it in a way that doesn’t put on airs that he’s worried about innocent Gazans dying. And we all know democracy dies in the lack of performative hand-wringing.

      • LeZero [he/him]
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        Well yeah, I dont take Fetterman seriously anyway, it's just more of the same Trump fearmongering

    • SacredExcrement [any, comrade/them]
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      Liberals have to maintain that they're the good guys, always

      So that means Trump would do something worse than what Biden is literally currently doing

      What that imagined evil he'll perpetrate is, I'm never told

      Maybe they're implying he'd nuke Gaza

      Maybe they're implying he'd send in American troops

      We don't know

    • Evilphd666 [he/him, comrade/them]
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      DC land hasn't felt the burn yet. They are still too comfortable and think they can just toss a token and get away with it in November.

    • Black Charlie White@lemmygrad.ml
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      “If you sit this out, or throw your vote away, you now are effectively empowering Bibi"

      I believe the word Genocide Joe used was "unconditional". How can Bibi get any more empowered than that?

  • Sasuke [comrade/them]
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    Fetterman, who has delighted in trolling left-wing critics by resolutely standing with Israel since Oct. 7

    doing a little 'trolling' by supporting a genocide

    • ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]
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      Waving the Swastika flag from my rooftop to epically troll those dumb bleeding heart commies who love the Warsaw terrorists so much

    • Rom [he/him]
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      Look at how upset those leftists get when I loudly cheer on the slaughter of Palestinian children by the thousands. It's all just a joke to me!

  • Black Charlie White@lemmygrad.ml
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    "We can set this up very directly: it’s us versus them — and us is just voting for us, and them means voting for a third-party or Trump,” as one Biden official put it to me.

    Oh wow, so the official party line of the DNC is going to be "do exactly what the good libs of storm.world, lemm.ee, and sh.itsfulla.nazis have spent the last couple years inoculating me against?" Good fuckin luck!

    Show

  • footfaults [none/use name]
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    Few in the administration sense the danger more than Vice President Kamala Harris. From holiday parties to a dinner at her residence last month for a group of prominent Black men, Harris has been telling sympathetic Democrats outside the White House that she recognizes the political challenge posed by Biden’s unwavering public support for Israel, I’m told by officials familiar with her comments at the events. Harris told people she’s making the case privately for the administration to show more empathy for the plight of innocent Gazans, an internal push that my colleague Eugene Daniels reported in December.

    Lmao just like everything else she says she is doing, she isn't doing jack shit. She's useless

    • BoxedFenders [any, comrade/them]
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      show more empathy for the plight of innocent Gazans

      So basically thoughts and prayers for the victims while continuing to supply Israel with weapons.

      • footfaults [none/use name]
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        They picked her because of her skin color and being female, and honestly her terrible personal demeanor means that they barely broke even on the bargain. She sucks.

      • TreadOnMe [none/use name]
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        It is essentially comedy becoming reality, the internal affairs of the Harris camp reads like an episode of Veep.

  • happybadger [he/him]
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    Beyond paid advertising, the president’s aides are still weighing him joining TikTok and, regardless, intend to leverage the platform by pushing their digital native supporters to make the Biden case on the app.

    Lmao. Like that little fuck in the Audi who made a good case for why the Romanov children had to go.

  • HumanBehaviorByBjork [any, undecided]
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    i sure fucking hope so. i truly believe that the most important immediate goal for a broad left wing mass movement in the united states is breaking the back of the Democratic party one way or another. nothing else can be done in the political sphere as long as this efficient machine of recuperation and neutralization is still standing.

    • BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]
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      In 2020, after the Sanders ratfuckimg and it was between Biden and Trump, i always held that Biden was the accelerationist choice. Or at least that hus presidency would be more radicalizing than a 2nd Trump term.

      • SubstantialNothingness [none/use name]
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        Same - the incoming polarization seemed pretty obvious. It's too bad that it's all based on partisan lines and not on any variation of their platforms, but it was also obvious that wasn't going to be the case.

        • BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]
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          Yeah both of those outcomes were pretty obvious, but Dems becoming a full on Blue MAGA party is overall a good outcome. It dispells the notion of "fixing it from within."

          There's no way to transform the Dem party, or any kind of path through liberal democracy. There is no "pushing Biden left." There has been no harm reduction. None of the alleged arguments for why Dems should be supported hold any water anymore. That's a positive thing.

          No one can make any of those arguments and seem remotely reasonable anymore.

          • SubstantialNothingness [none/use name]
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            That has been my logic, too. But in a more ideal world, they'd actually be open to transformation and this would be a lot less painful. That's just not the world we live in, unfortunately. We never would have gotten to this point if it was. Still, it's too bad that's the case.

    • sir_this_is_a_wendys [he/him]
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      This honestly feels like it's finally about to happen. People aren't falling for this bs any longer.

  • invo_rt [he/him]
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    If people aren't willing to break the Dem party's back over aiding a genocide, what more is it going to take?

  • Adkml [he/him]
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    "enabling a candidate who would likely given Netanyahu even more of a free hand."

    "we're not going to do a damn thing other than protect Israel in the process. Not a single thing." - Biden when asked if there would be any conditions on aid to Isreal

    Once again, until a liberal can explain to me what is "even more of a free hand" then explicitly saying your support isnuncondit8onal and nothing they would do could stop it they cans top lying to our fucking faces with this line

    Also getting pretty sick of articles of liberals complaining about struggling with voters that they are intentionally and even antagonistically doing the opposite ofnwhat the voters are clearly saying they want.

    Like the article says that feyterman had really been enjoying telling people that are opposed to genocide and then goes on to say how the people he's intentionally trolling aren't being mature and voting for him anyway.

    • Black Charlie White@lemmygrad.ml
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      I hope Fetterman enjoys the primary that is undoubtedly looming in his rear-view mirror. It sounds like the DNC wants him to be their new Manchin at this point; and I'm hoping he's gone before the DNC can inadvertently validate my "revolving villain" theory.

  • WhatDoYouMeanPodcast [comrade/them]
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    But it’s also because Democrats are still catching up to the possibility of their coalition unraveling over Israel’s offensive in Gaza.

    jagoff

      • Alaskaball [comrade/them]
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        "But we're the party all the Communist parties recognize! The CPC officially recognizes us and invites us to all their events!"

        Without telling the truth that they block all other communist parties from joining the IMCWP, that maintaining historic communications between parties isn't actually a sign of recognition and they actually talk to a lot of U.S parties, and that clout-chasing the CPC because they maintain cordial historically diplomatic ties between parties - like all the other parties do - should make any cpusa member feel humiliation they have nothing else to their name besides that and their faded legacy.

    • Black Charlie White@lemmygrad.ml
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      Y'know, I've been calling them tailist swine for the past three or four years now; and every single time I say it, someone wants to crawl out from under their rock, log, or particularly thick patch of moss to decry me for sectarianism and 'believing a CIA psy-op' and re-litigating J. Sakai's pseudonymous status; and then CPUSA turns around and uncritically endorses the democrat party's genocide.

      I don't ever want another cracker motherfucker tryna tell me these are comrades.

  • Elon_Musk [none/use name]
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    Idea for a bit. Changing your name to Genocide Joe and running on a 3rd party ticket

  • SubstantialNothingness [none/use name]
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    One idea: Enlist a series of younger voters who admit to being tempted by a third-party hopeful but explain they’re backing Biden because any other choice ensures Trump’s election.

    USians don't even know how to interact in good faith at this point. Everyone is a troll now.