Yep and even contemporaneously, opposition to the war in Vietnam in the US (that wasn't explicitly communist at least) centered entirely on basically "draft bad" and rarely talked about the Vietnamese experience. Hell, the most popular protest song (Fortunate Son) basically just complains that the working class was being sent there but not the kids of rich folks. While true, it still completely ignores the horrific war crimes that were going on.
And I would imagine it would be impossible to be a part of the world not within the imperial and not see and think a lot about the parallels in what's going on with your own experience.
it is crazy to think that less than 50 years ago those white workers in these 2 countries had given so much support to helping Vietnam in its struggle. Had stood together with the oppressed elsewhere......it feels like that didn't even happen sometimes when looking at them today.
Perhaps the rest of you can lead us to a new world but I’m done caring about “workers” in the west. They can go fuck themselves
Everything you said here. I’m from China, and this has become my conclusion as well. It’s been a slow awakening. Still trying to figure out what positive role I can play in my position because moving back to China isn’t really possible. Your anger and despair are so extremely justified.
Same here. Have lived in the US and my shithole country. Still live in said shithole country and was not impressed with what I saw of the US left. There were exceptions that stood out and genuinely impressed me, but a disappointingly large number were just radlibs with a revolutionary aesthetic that still fell for the propaganda.
Seeing all this love and sympathy pour out instantly to Ukranians
Remember that the love and sympathy is only for the Ukrainians under the Nato friendly government. There's been absolutely no love and sympathy towards the Ukrainians in Lugansk and Donetsk, neither now nor for the last 8 years.
insist that I show them a binding treaty signed between Russia and NATO guaranteeing that NATO wouldn’t expand, because statements of intent and verbal assurances weren’t good enough
This is the official line as well, it seems, which is funny because it implies that we absolutely can't take the wests word to ever be worth a rotten shit
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Yep and even contemporaneously, opposition to the war in Vietnam in the US (that wasn't explicitly communist at least) centered entirely on basically "draft bad" and rarely talked about the Vietnamese experience. Hell, the most popular protest song (Fortunate Son) basically just complains that the working class was being sent there but not the kids of rich folks. While true, it still completely ignores the horrific war crimes that were going on.
And I would imagine it would be impossible to be a part of the world not within the imperial and not see and think a lot about the parallels in what's going on with your own experience.
it is crazy to think that less than 50 years ago those white workers in these 2 countries had given so much support to helping Vietnam in its struggle. Had stood together with the oppressed elsewhere......it feels like that didn't even happen sometimes when looking at them today.
Everything you said here. I’m from China, and this has become my conclusion as well. It’s been a slow awakening. Still trying to figure out what positive role I can play in my position because moving back to China isn’t really possible. Your anger and despair are so extremely justified.
:Care-Comrade:
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Same here. Have lived in the US and my shithole country. Still live in said shithole country and was not impressed with what I saw of the US left. There were exceptions that stood out and genuinely impressed me, but a disappointingly large number were just radlibs with a revolutionary aesthetic that still fell for the propaganda.
Remember that the love and sympathy is only for the Ukrainians under the Nato friendly government. There's been absolutely no love and sympathy towards the Ukrainians in Lugansk and Donetsk, neither now nor for the last 8 years.
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This is the official line as well, it seems, which is funny because it implies that we absolutely can't take the wests word to ever be worth a rotten shit
why would you say vietnam is a hellhole?
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